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> <channel><title>Comments on: Firm to Release Database &amp; Web Server 0days</title> <atom:link href="http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/firm-to-release-database-web-server-0days/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/firm-to-release-database-web-server-0days/</link> <description>In-depth security news and investigation</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:29:12 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator> <item><title>By: dc0de</title><link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/firm-to-release-database-web-server-0days/#comment-3880</link> <dc:creator>dc0de</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:30:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=264#comment-3880</guid> <description>Perhaps it&#039;s time for software companies to come up with a different set of &quot;economics&quot; for building and creating software.They could start with learning how to code securely, it&#039;s not a mystery.As well, having a constant security testing cycle in the SDLC helps considerably.Lastly, hiring outside companies to perform full penetration and exploit tests against the codebase prior to it&#039;s release would also help.But this would cut into the bottom line, and keep the board from receiving their extra .01% of share value.No, no, can&#039;t have that....Pluheeze... I say make the software / vendor legally responsible for their code.  That should shake things up a bit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s time for software companies to come up with a different set of &#8220;economics&#8221; for building and creating software.</p><p>They could start with learning how to code securely, it&#8217;s not a mystery.</p><p>As well, having a constant security testing cycle in the SDLC helps considerably.</p><p>Lastly, hiring outside companies to perform full penetration and exploit tests against the codebase prior to it&#8217;s release would also help.</p><p>But this would cut into the bottom line, and keep the board from receiving their extra .01% of share value.</p><p>No, no, can&#8217;t have that&#8230;.</p><p>Pluheeze&#8230; I say make the software / vendor legally responsible for their code.  That should shake things up a bit.</p><p>Like or Dislike: <img
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=264#comment-3879</guid> <description>Doug,I applaud you for your efforts.  It sounds as though you&#039;re trying to fight to retain the position of Sisyphus.  You&#039;re pushing that boulder uphill, and making progress with a FEW customers.What about all of the vendors out there who will not responsibly review their own software/hardware/appliances before shipping them to the general IT Public?  Who&#039;s being irresponsible?I&#039;m 100% in favor of full and open disclosure, just as I am about finding out about tainted food.Using your argument, I &quot;should&quot; go and sell my services testing everyone&#039;s beef/chicken/pork in their home for contaminants before they eat it.I say fix the problem at the source.  Throw these lazy and self-righteous vendors under the bus.Once the news gets out that your personal data has been released overseas due to a vendor who didn&#039;t even test their own software, people will begin voting with their money.It&#039;s time to clean the IT Gene pool.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p><p>I applaud you for your efforts.  It sounds as though you&#8217;re trying to fight to retain the position of Sisyphus.  You&#8217;re pushing that boulder uphill, and making progress with a FEW customers.</p><p>What about all of the vendors out there who will not responsibly review their own software/hardware/appliances before shipping them to the general IT Public?  Who&#8217;s being irresponsible?</p><p>I&#8217;m 100% in favor of full and open disclosure, just as I am about finding out about tainted food.</p><p>Using your argument, I &#8220;should&#8221; go and sell my services testing everyone&#8217;s beef/chicken/pork in their home for contaminants before they eat it.</p><p>I say fix the problem at the source.  Throw these lazy and self-righteous vendors under the bus.</p><p>Once the news gets out that your personal data has been released overseas due to a vendor who didn&#8217;t even test their own software, people will begin voting with their money.</p><p>It&#8217;s time to clean the IT Gene pool.</p><p>Like or Dislike: <img
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=264#comment-2965</guid> <description>[...] ze swym niedawnym oświadczeniem, Legerov nie zamierza przekazać szczegółów dotyczących nowej luki twórcom Firefoksa. W [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ze swym niedawnym oświadczeniem, Legerov nie zamierza przekazać szczegółów dotyczących nowej luki twórcom Firefoksa. W [...]</p><p>Like or Dislike: <img
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=264#comment-2327</guid> <description>I used to work for a company that developed software-intensive consumer electronics products.  When I questioned some security issues in a joint project we were contemplating with a competitor (the market leader),  I was told that the competitor&#039;s official position on security was that &quot;security is a market disabler&quot;.  They would rather ship a known-insecure product to get a capability into the market quicker and make revenue, even if they had to use a portion of the profits to fix the bugs later, than to delay getting to market (risking having a competitor beat them) and make it more secure.  There were people in our company who thought that their position was &quot;enlightened&quot;, and wondered out loud why we didn&#039;t emulate them.Does anyone doubt that this is common in for-profit companies?  There are only a few things that will cause companies to change were they draw the line between spending time and effort enhancing security vs. time-to-market + profits:  1) Bad press.  Bad for business, bad for stock price. 2) Regulation. Most companies, if reluctantly, obey the law at least partly because failing to do so violates #1. 3) Customers and sales. If customers told companies they wanted better security in their products, they might get it, or if lots of people tell companies that they aren&#039;t buying a product because it&#039;s not secure, then it might have an effect.  But people ask for product features and ASSume that it&#039;s secure, so this virtually doesn&#039;t happen in practice.In the early days of cellphones, cloning was quoted as causing billions of dollars of lost revenue.  The dirty little secret was that most of that &quot;lost revenue&quot; was calls that wouldn&#039;t have ever been made if the caller had had to pay for them, and until the &quot;real losses&quot; caused by denying access to paying customers got big enough, the carriers really didn&#039;t care enough to pay for fixing it.  Fast-forward to the credit card industry now:  As long as they can charge people 30% annual interest, why worry about a few percent of that being spent on fraud?  Or to the Microsoft&#039;s of the world: as long as people buy their software, and have to pay for upgrades to get higher security going forward, then full-steam-ahead on features, and minimum spending on improving security.  As long as companies are making a profit, and especially if they can make their customers pay for the fixes to their mistakes, they have little incentive to fix their problems.I don&#039;t particularly like the idea of being hit by a 0day because my daily-use software is buggy, but my guess is that, statistically, early disclosure is likely to reduce the long-term damage caused by a 0day exploit more than it increases it (though it will do both) because it gets it out in front of the software vendor and the detection vendors without back-room rigamarole.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for a company that developed software-intensive consumer electronics products.  When I questioned some security issues in a joint project we were contemplating with a competitor (the market leader),  I was told that the competitor&#8217;s official position on security was that &#8220;security is a market disabler&#8221;.  They would rather ship a known-insecure product to get a capability into the market quicker and make revenue, even if they had to use a portion of the profits to fix the bugs later, than to delay getting to market (risking having a competitor beat them) and make it more secure.  There were people in our company who thought that their position was &#8220;enlightened&#8221;, and wondered out loud why we didn&#8217;t emulate them.</p><p>Does anyone doubt that this is common in for-profit companies?  There are only a few things that will cause companies to change were they draw the line between spending time and effort enhancing security vs. time-to-market + profits:  1) Bad press.  Bad for business, bad for stock price. 2) Regulation. Most companies, if reluctantly, obey the law at least partly because failing to do so violates #1. 3) Customers and sales. If customers told companies they wanted better security in their products, they might get it, or if lots of people tell companies that they aren&#8217;t buying a product because it&#8217;s not secure, then it might have an effect.  But people ask for product features and ASSume that it&#8217;s secure, so this virtually doesn&#8217;t happen in practice.</p><p>In the early days of cellphones, cloning was quoted as causing billions of dollars of lost revenue.  The dirty little secret was that most of that &#8220;lost revenue&#8221; was calls that wouldn&#8217;t have ever been made if the caller had had to pay for them, and until the &#8220;real losses&#8221; caused by denying access to paying customers got big enough, the carriers really didn&#8217;t care enough to pay for fixing it.  Fast-forward to the credit card industry now:  As long as they can charge people 30% annual interest, why worry about a few percent of that being spent on fraud?  Or to the Microsoft&#8217;s of the world: as long as people buy their software, and have to pay for upgrades to get higher security going forward, then full-steam-ahead on features, and minimum spending on improving security.  As long as companies are making a profit, and especially if they can make their customers pay for the fixes to their mistakes, they have little incentive to fix their problems.</p><p>I don&#8217;t particularly like the idea of being hit by a 0day because my daily-use software is buggy, but my guess is that, statistically, early disclosure is likely to reduce the long-term damage caused by a 0day exploit more than it increases it (though it will do both) because it gets it out in front of the software vendor and the detection vendors without back-room rigamarole.</p><p>Like or Dislike: <img
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=264#comment-2270</guid> <description>Citing legal responsibilities is not an excuse for sidestepping moral issues.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citing legal responsibilities is not an excuse for sidestepping moral issues.</p><p>Like or Dislike: <img
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