Comments on: Simmering Over a ‘Cyber Cold War’ http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/ In-depth security news and investigation Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:29:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: ophttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1729 op Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:33:47 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1729 Plan on networks being down and don't expect warnings. They delete them. Plan on networks being down and don’t expect warnings. They delete them.

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]]> By: Space Roguehttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1410 Space Rogue Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:56:58 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1410 We have been in a cyber cold war for a while now. The Google-China thing is just the first U2 incident of the war. Take a look at all the posturing that has been going on with 'Cyber Commands' . Every country claims they have more 'cyber warriors' than the other country.South Korea is pointing a lot of fingers at North Koreas and the mysterious 'lab 101' and is hurredly rushing to put together a cyber command.The Brits want to hire 'naught boys' to fight for them.The Navy, not wanting to get upstaged by the AirForce or the Army has created its own 'Cyber Command'. This despite the fact that all the services has had electronic warfare components since at least WWII.Then you have the Cyber Czar, possible government takeover of critical infrastructure civilian networks, etc etc etc....I see lots of propaganda, who knows what is going on behind the scenes. But, yes a Cyber Cold war is on and has been for several years. In my opinion we are in the touchy feely or recon stage. Everyone is still just probing (except maybe China) to figure out what the other side can do, what their capabilities really are.- SR We have been in a cyber cold war for a while now. The Google-China thing is just the first U2 incident of the war. Take a look at all the posturing that has been going on with ‘Cyber Commands’ . Every country claims they have more ‘cyber warriors’ than the other country.

South Korea is pointing a lot of fingers at North Koreas and the mysterious ‘lab 101′ and is hurredly rushing to put together a cyber command.

The Brits want to hire ‘naught boys’ to fight for them.

The Navy, not wanting to get upstaged by the AirForce or the Army has created its own ‘Cyber Command’. This despite the fact that all the services has had electronic warfare components since at least WWII.

Then you have the Cyber Czar, possible government takeover of critical infrastructure civilian networks, etc etc etc….

I see lots of propaganda, who knows what is going on behind the scenes. But, yes a Cyber Cold war is on and has been for several years. In my opinion we are in the touchy feely or recon stage. Everyone is still just probing (except maybe China) to figure out what the other side can do, what their capabilities really are.

- SR

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]]> By: M Henri Dayhttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1311 M Henri Day Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:56:05 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1311 The quote from the CSIS report to which I referred at second-hand above is found on page 30 of the report and runs as follows :«As noted in chapter one, a hefty majority of IT and security executives surveyed believe that for- eign governments have already been involved in network attacks on their sector. When they were asked which country “you worry is of greatest concern in the context of network attacks against your country/sector,” 36 percent named the United States and 33 percent China—more than any other countries on a list of six (respondents were also offered the chance to specify a differ- ent answer). The next most frequently cited was Russia, a distant third at just 12 percent. None of the other three, the UK, France and Germany, topped six percent.»A very informative graph concerning which country's efforts at networks attacks are perceived as most worrying by respondents according to the country in which the latter reside is found on page 31 ; respondents from China, Brazil, Spain, Mexico, Russia, and Germany place the US in first place, while respondents from the US, Australia, the UK, France, Italy, and Japan name China. In India the two main contenders run neck and neck, while Saudi Arabian respondents point to Russia....Henri The quote from the CSIS report to which I referred at second-hand above is found on page 30 of the report and runs as follows :

«As noted in chapter one, a hefty majority of IT and security executives surveyed believe that for-
eign governments have already been involved in
network attacks on their sector. When they were
asked which country “you worry is of greatest
concern in the context of network attacks against
your country/sector,” 36 percent named the
United States and 33 percent China—more than
any other countries on a list of six (respondents
were also offered the chance to specify a differ-
ent answer). The next most frequently cited was
Russia, a distant third at just 12 percent. None
of the other three, the UK, France and Germany,
topped six percent.»

A very informative graph concerning which country’s efforts at networks attacks are perceived as most worrying by respondents according to the country in which the latter reside is found on page 31 ; respondents from China, Brazil, Spain, Mexico, Russia, and Germany place the US in first place, while respondents from the US, Australia, the UK, France, Italy, and Japan name China. In India the two main contenders run neck and neck, while Saudi Arabian respondents point to Russia….

Henri

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]]> By: BrianKrebshttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1304 BrianKrebs Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:33:43 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1304 thanks, and thanks! thanks, and thanks!

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]]> By: SecurityFr3akhttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1303 SecurityFr3ak Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:15:37 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1303 Great article Brian. The direct link to Mandiant's M-Trends report is actually here: http://www.mandiant.com/products/services/m-trends Great article Brian. The direct link to Mandiant’s M-Trends report is actually here:
http://www.mandiant.com/products/services/m-trends

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]]> By: Excellent Article on Cyber Cold War « TTC Shelbyville – Technical Bloghttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1292 Excellent Article on Cyber Cold War « TTC Shelbyville – Technical Blog Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:55:41 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1292 [...] January 29, 2010 10:55 pm SMallard Leave a comment Go to comments Brian Krebs presents a good article on what many security analysts are calling a Cyber War or Cyber Cold War.   Analyzing information [...] [...] January 29, 2010 10:55 pm SMallard Leave a comment Go to comments Brian Krebs presents a good article on what many security analysts are calling a Cyber War or Cyber Cold War.   Analyzing information [...]

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]]> By: M Henri Dayhttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1277 M Henri Day Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:48:30 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1277 While Brian notes that, according to the CSIS report, more than half of the respondents reported having suffered attacks, and believing that critical infrastructure in their respective countries was already under attack by foreign governments, for some reason he fails to record that the country identified as posting the biggest threat was the United States, which was named by 36 percent of respondents, while China came in second at 33 percent - at least if Dan Goodin's report from San Francisco in The Register (http://preview.tinyurl.com/yeoczhr ) is to be believed (I've not yet been able to access the original CSIS report)....Henri While Brian notes that, according to the CSIS report, more than half of the respondents reported having suffered attacks, and believing that critical infrastructure in their respective countries was already under attack by foreign governments, for some reason he fails to record that the country identified as posting the biggest threat was the United States, which was named by 36 percent of respondents, while China came in second at 33 percent – at least if Dan Goodin’s report from San Francisco in The Register (http://preview.tinyurl.com/yeoczhr ) is to be believed (I’ve not yet been able to access the original CSIS report)….

Henri

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]]> By: KFritzhttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1275 KFritz Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:12:23 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1275 The PRC is a party-oligarchy dictatorship. As such, it has strong focus on tasks at hand. The corporations under attack are mainly focused on quarterly profits, personal success of the top executives, and competition with rivals also focused on the first two factors. The winner/outcome is a foregone conclusion.Google is a young, vital, obviously web-based organization. Don't know how successful the recent attack was, but however successful, Google will work very hard to inoculate itself against the next attack. The PRC is a party-oligarchy dictatorship. As such, it has strong focus on tasks at hand. The corporations under attack are mainly focused on quarterly profits, personal success of the top executives, and competition with rivals also focused on the first two factors. The winner/outcome is a foregone conclusion.

Google is a young, vital, obviously web-based organization. Don’t know how successful the recent attack was, but however successful, Google will work very hard to inoculate itself against the next attack.

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]]> By: M Henri Dayhttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1274 M Henri Day Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:55:08 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1274 Brian, would it be possible to provide a preview service for comments ? It's embarrassing to discover that one has posted «Whose» for «Who's» !...Henri Brian, would it be possible to provide a preview service for comments ? It’s embarrassing to discover that one has posted «Whose» for «Who’s» !…

Henri

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]]> By: M Henri Dayhttp://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/simmering-over-a-cyber-cold-war/#comment-1272 M Henri Day Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:37:00 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=820#comment-1272 Thanks for the link, Gunnar ; I suspect Mr Sterling is spot on. Whose hacking whom ? «Everybody» is hacking «everybody» else - that seems to be the way the game is played....Henri Thanks for the link, Gunnar ; I suspect Mr Sterling is spot on. Whose hacking whom ? «Everybody» is hacking «everybody» else – that seems to be the way the game is played….

Henri

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