RedEye,

Crawl back under your rock and go back to editing your kiddie porn collection. The adults here are getting tired of you.

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No, Alpha,
As I have explained already, whether it is legal or not for a USA customer to buy from such a pharmacy is a legal problem of buyer ONLY.

Do You follow me here?

P.S. I am not entirely sure it is illegal fro USA customers to shop in Non-US based online pharmacies. I can not be sure but the reason why I doubt that it is illegal, that usually in such cases (like with MP3 or casinos where buying itself is a crime as well or child porn for example) there would have been already thousands of cases against buyers in US and accused and prosecuted would have included very old nearly dead women, very young just born men, their home pets (say dogs) and all accused of buying illegal VIAGRA and a few known politicians caught in the middle of pushing BUY button of mycanadiancheapviagra.com

As for smuggling, if You a buy a bottle of wine and send it over DHL to Russia, from Russian point of view if it will pass customs it would be smuggling I think (as sending over wine and alcohol by mail is smuggling, correct me if I am wrong), but it will be legal in the point of sending.

Same story here. It is legal to send it over by mail from the point it is sent from.

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The pharma sites I have in mind specifically say they will ship to the U.S., or else they have “testimonials” by models in stock photos whose location is listed in the U.S. It’s legal to sell drugs without prescription in many countries. But it isn’t legal for a U.S. resident to have drugs shipped into the U.S. from another country. It’s smuggling. So such sites definitely aren’t “legal in the U.S.”

If you know of pharmacy sites run by Russian citizens that are operating under U.S. law — and Russia trains many fine physicians and pharmacists, so there is no reason to assume no one has obtained the proper licenses to operate a pharmacy within the U.S. — I just haven’t seen any site like that yet. I’d be curious to know about them.

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P.S. Brian removing link to my forum was really lame.

You have put a whole post about Crutop, made screenshots (!!!) with translations (!!!), and now what? You have removed link where people actually can see what You are talking about and put comments and talk openly about all this?

Good job man!

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Alpha,
with all that said by about local USA laws on pharmacies I beleive that relates to a pharma website running from WITHIN USA and based from USA or at the very least run by a US citizen. Which I thought was quite obvious.

Since those pharmacy websites are NOT US based those laws are not related to them and should not be related to them.

The only legal aspect of interest is whether US based customers of internet pharmacies themselves actually violate any local law while buying pills over the internet. In any case this has VERY vague relation to anything done illegaly by pharmacy website owners.

That said, I’d like to exclude and explain in a separate part about SPAMMING related to pharmacy which farmacy affiliate programs often rely upon.

While CAN-SPAM again does not have any influence on affiliates based OUT of USA the SPAMMING technologies violate laws one way or another anyways, even Russian laws are severely violated because by Russian law bot technologies used for spamming are directly violating Criminal Code 272, 273, 274.

So SPAMMING is Illegal. Because of that most pharmacy affiliate programs are not supporting SPAM for years already.

However You will not find Mr. Brian Krebs making any comments on that beleive me Alpha. Suprise me Brian, prove me I am wrong.

You see, the reason is, as I have explained earlier in my small research, it looks like Mr. Krebs was sponsored by a group called RBN based out of Russia, St. Petersburg to act on their behalf to attack through his blog everyone who they beleive to be their enemies and they have quite perverse logic in that.

RBN as well, as has been stated in many reputable resources, is behind worlds biggest pharma spam operations.

For example check this out.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/228674/page/2
http://spamtrackers.eu/wiki/index.php/Glavmed

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I’d like to set the record straight about whether any of those Russian pharma sites are “legal in the U.S.”

* To be legal in the U.S., a pharmacy site has to require prescriptions for drugs that legally require them under U.S. FDA regulations. It isn’t adequate to have an anonymous doctor on the payroll who writes a prescription after reviewing a questionnaire, either. To qualify as telemedicine, there must be a meaningful doctor-patient relationship.
* To be legal in the U.S., the pharmacy selling to U.S. residents must be located in the U.S. Laws that allow individual patients to import a personal supply of drugs from overseas refer to people who are physically returning from visiting those countries, not to mail order pharmacies.
* To be legal in the U.S., the pharmacy must follow U.S. patent and trademark laws. The fact that India allows generic versions of patented drugs earlier than North American or European countries doesn’t make it legal to sell them here. And it’s not legal to display the trademarked images/logos of the brand name drugs on the website when people order, then ship generic equivalents or placebos.
* To be legal in the U.S., the sponsor must ensure its affiliates do not violate CAN-SPAM by harvesting email addresses with automated software or using deceptive “from” addresses and subject lines, and it must ensure their emails provide valid opt-out contact information that really gets people opted out. Under CAN-SPAM, the sponsor is responsible for violations of the law in the spam sent by its affiliates.
* To be legal in the U.S., the pharmacy must have U.S. licensed pharmacists and must comply with individual state laws in the locations where their customers live.
* And of course, to be legal in the U.S., the pharmacy website can’t use a domain name registered with fake information, can’t mail its spam or host its website on other people’s hacked servers, can’t allow protected health information to be transmitted over a non-secure connection (even if it uses a fake padlock icon to pretend it is secure), can’t display forged pharmacy licenses or fake seals from the Better Business Bureau/PharmacyChecker/CIPARx, and can’t engage in all the other fraudulent practices that spamvertised pharma sites and their non-spammed “premium” counterparts do.

Just which pharma sites that are “legal in the U.S.” is he talking about?

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