Comments on: Would You Have Spotted the Fraud? http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/ In-depth security news and investigation Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:22:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Sanderson http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-24503 John Sanderson Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:58:50 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-24503 I left a comment earlier. Banamex bank in Tijuana got me. Just cleaned me out. The ATM is outside and on weekends the theives hang around all day...waiting for americans . Comerica is refusing to reembures me. Those bastards have zillions and will give me a nickle. The Mexican Police just laugh at you...and claim,"no speak english" the banks say "do not use the ATM" After the fact. Our banks are surely insured for theft ...but they are acting like the Mexicans...do not give a damn. Social security says the bank should return the loss...but our rich banker says FU. NICE.

I left a comment earlier. Banamex bank in Tijuana got me. Just cleaned me out. The ATM is outside and on weekends the theives hang around all day…waiting for americans . Comerica is refusing to reembures me. Those bastards have zillions and will give me a nickle. The Mexican Police just laugh at you…and claim,”no speak english” the banks say “do not use the ATM” After the fact. Our banks are surely insured for theft …but they are acting like the Mexicans…do not give a damn. Social security says the bank should return the loss…but our rich banker says FU. NICE.

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]]> By: Loraine http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-22001 Loraine Sat, 14 May 2011 18:23:49 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-22001 Well I was just a victim and it must have been from one of several retailers because I have not used an ATM in several months. I agree rod flemming. My parents don't have an ATM Debit Card and have never been victims. I suppose its back to cash and checks, but my mom pointed out not to carry much cash 'cause you'll get robbed!

Well I was just a victim and it must have been from one of several retailers because I have not used an ATM in several months. I agree rod flemming. My parents don’t have an ATM Debit Card and have never been victims. I suppose its back to cash and checks, but my mom pointed out not to carry much cash ’cause you’ll get robbed!

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]]> By: TOM_C_A_T http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-20219 TOM_C_A_T Mon, 04 Apr 2011 07:11:29 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-20219 I just simply don't understand... why do the ATM manufacturer's make their machines with so uneven surfaces, gaps, notches making skimmers easy to be put on....? They can use a transparent plastic cover with a spherical shape which would cover the entire machine and impossible to put on any other external element on it...leaving only 3 slits for card, cash n receipt and touchscreen interface. Isn't it practical ?

I just simply don’t understand…

why do the ATM manufacturer’s make their machines with so uneven surfaces, gaps, notches making skimmers easy to be put on….?

They can use a transparent plastic cover with a spherical shape which would cover the entire machine and impossible to put on any other external element on it…leaving only 3 slits for card, cash n receipt and touchscreen interface.

Isn’t it practical ?

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]]> By: 3xpl0it3r http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-19611 3xpl0it3r Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:33:17 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-19611 I sell ATM SKIMMER, price 1000 dollars. I can show on webcam. my id on yahoo mesenger is: acces.denied Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: rod flemming http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-18428 rod flemming Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:10:40 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-18428 I have to agree with the posting about going to the bank and trying to use the cash for the rest of the week/month! It is about the best solution of all. The side benefit of not leaving traces for marketing ploys is an added bonus. As soon as the skimmers have these overlay panels you are doomed! I have done extensive research for years on the topic and though the skimming of POS machines in markets and gas stations, which used bluetooth transmission to a cellphone nearby, which sent an SMS with the dump data to another cellphone was top until I cam across a story in the UK where a whole batch of POS fresh from the factory in china was infected with a GSM device THAT ONLY SENT THE DUMP IF A GOLD OR PLATINUM CARD WAS INSERTED! This GSM device then sent the dump data to a cellphone in PAKISTAN! I think this tops the tech part so far. Brian maybe you can do some research on the story? Greetings Rod.

I have to agree with the posting about going to the bank and trying to use the cash for the rest of the week/month! It is about the best solution of all. The side benefit of not leaving traces for marketing ploys is an added bonus. As soon as the skimmers have these overlay panels you are doomed! I have done extensive research for years on the topic and though the skimming of POS machines in markets and gas stations, which used bluetooth transmission to a cellphone nearby, which sent an SMS with the dump data to another cellphone was top until I cam across a story in the UK where a whole batch of POS fresh from the factory in china was infected with a GSM device THAT ONLY SENT THE DUMP IF A GOLD OR PLATINUM CARD WAS INSERTED! This GSM device then sent the dump data to a cellphone in PAKISTAN! I think this tops the tech part so far. Brian maybe you can do some research on the story? Greetings Rod.

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]]> By: Darin Dematteo http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-16830 Darin Dematteo Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:44:55 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-16830 I am really thankful to this topic because it really gives up to date information :*- I am really thankful to this topic because it really gives up to date information :*-

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]]> By: Bleue http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-16599 Bleue Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:13:45 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-16599 Not really - the bankers are checking the amount of physical cash left in the machine vs. the money withdrawn/deposited by consumers. The skimmers directly withdraw money from your account - like it was your ATM card. So the problem is not noticed, usually, until people start complaining about missing funds and fradulent withdrawls from their accounts. Not really – the bankers are checking the amount of physical cash left in the machine vs. the money withdrawn/deposited by consumers.

The skimmers directly withdraw money from your account – like it was your ATM card. So the problem is not noticed, usually, until people start complaining about missing funds and fradulent withdrawls from their accounts.

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]]> By: Cameron http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-16538 Cameron Wed, 05 Jan 2011 03:42:11 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-16538 Not all ATM's are refilled from the back. Most in fact are filled by either pulling out a draw type system from the bottom or a large portion of the front opens as a door. To answer the question, these ATM's are serviced by bank employees and they are servicing many machines a day. one small detail such as an "insert card here" sign will go unnoticed by the servicing employee's. the people that SHOULD catch it, are the people who are working inside the stations etc. where the atm's are placed. (yes i know some are outside, but if you look them up, most of the ones targeted are inside stores. ) My wife had her physical card stolen last year and a person used it at three different stores in Virginia Beach. The employees at one of them stores actually new the person and was obviously covering for him since he used it at 2:30 in the morning and the station locks its doors at midnight and rarely lets anyone in after. The other two stores attempted to help but both erase their video logs after two days. Now they have skimmed her credit card and charged $1300 to the card. The money is still on hold and has not been paid out but the law requires the bank to pay it out anyway even though they know it is going to a criminal. And i cant file a claim until the money has been paid for them. The law is LITERALLY protecting the criminal and making things impossible for the victim to correct. It will take laws being changed to fix this and not a "quick check" every time you go to the atm. Not all ATM’s are refilled from the back. Most in fact are filled by either pulling out a draw type system from the bottom or a large portion of the front opens as a door. To answer the question, these ATM’s are serviced by bank employees and they are servicing many machines a day. one small detail such as an “insert card here” sign will go unnoticed by the servicing employee’s. the people that SHOULD catch it, are the people who are working inside the stations etc. where the atm’s are placed. (yes i know some are outside, but if you look them up, most of the ones targeted are inside stores. ) My wife had her physical card stolen last year and a person used it at three different stores in Virginia Beach. The employees at one of them stores actually new the person and was obviously covering for him since he used it at 2:30 in the morning and the station locks its doors at midnight and rarely lets anyone in after. The other two stores attempted to help but both erase their video logs after two days. Now they have skimmed her credit card and charged $1300 to the card. The money is still on hold and has not been paid out but the law requires the bank to pay it out anyway even though they know it is going to a criminal. And i cant file a claim until the money has been paid for them. The law is LITERALLY protecting the criminal and making things impossible for the victim to correct. It will take laws being changed to fix this and not a “quick check” every time you go to the atm.

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]]> By: roncufley http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-16205 roncufley Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:22:00 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-16205 Most cards with chips also have a mag-stripe in order to be compatable with older machines or to be used in other countries. In the UK we went over to chip and pin a few years ago but the cards still have the mag-stripe. Most cards with chips also have a mag-stripe in order to be compatable with older machines or to be used in other countries. In the UK we went over to chip and pin a few years ago but the cards still have the mag-stripe.

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]]> By: roncufley http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/would-you-have-spotted-the-fraud/comment-page-6/#comment-16203 roncufley Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:03:49 +0000 http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/?p=486#comment-16203 No, because they are refilled from the back so the teller would not normally see the front of the machine. No, because they are refilled from the back so the teller would not normally see the front of the machine.

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