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		<title>By: Researchers Map Multi-Network Cybercrime Infrastructure &#171; Signal, No Noise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Researchers Map Multi-Network Cybercrime Infrastructure &#171; Signal, No Noise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week, security experts launched a sneak attack to disconnect Troyak, an Internet service provider in Eastern Europe that served as a global [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Researchers Map Multi-Network Cybercrime Infrastructure &#8212; Krebs on Security</title>
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		<dc:creator>Researchers Map Multi-Network Cybercrime Infrastructure &#8212; Krebs on Security</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] topic. You may also subscribe by email in the sidebar ⇉ Last week, security experts launched a sneak attack to disconnect Troyak, an Internet service provider in Eastern Europe that served as a global [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BrianKrebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianKrebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Virginia. I&#039;ll add it to the story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Virginia. I&#8217;ll add it to the story</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just picking nits...

Brian, you have a global readership, so please don&#039;t be lazy with locations! ;-)

&quot;Andy Fried, owner of Deteque, a computer security consultancy in Alexandria, &quot; *Virginia/Egypt/?/*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just picking nits&#8230;</p>
<p>Brian, you have a global readership, so please don&#8217;t be lazy with locations! <img src='http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Andy Fried, owner of Deteque, a computer security consultancy in Alexandria, &#8221; *Virginia/Egypt/?/*.</p>
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		<title>By: yep</title>
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		<dc:creator>yep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What it means, is that all the snake oil salesmen and rats you talk to still have jobs. Parasites of another culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What it means, is that all the snake oil salesmen and rats you talk to still have jobs. Parasites of another culture.</p>
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		<title>By: The Italian Honey Project &#187; The recent ZeuS and Koobface trends fluctation</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Italian Honey Project &#187; The recent ZeuS and Koobface trends fluctation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Dozens of ZeuS Botnets Knocked Offline — Krebs on Security. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] via Dozens of ZeuS Botnets Knocked Offline — Krebs on Security. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaCentauri</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlphaCentauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was coordinated by law enforcement or a private security group, they might have chosen not to trumpet their success, knowing that Troyak could still find another upstream. They might want to hold off until there is more to celebrate.  Or they might want to just have the private satisfaction of victory without giving the ZeuS operators anyone to target for the type of harassment they gave Roman Hüssy last year:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/zeustracker_and_the_nuclear_op.html

But the fact that anyone cut off Troyak after allowing it to host criminals this long means that there has been a change in attitude affecting their upstream. There is one less bulletproof haven for companies like them. It means one less internet provider that doesn&#039;t understand the difference between global free speech and operating a botnet that is used to commit crimes and trash people&#039;s computers. 

As the legitimate companies become more knowledgeable and the criminals become sequestered to a few truly amoral hosts, it does become practical to talk about quarantining all traffic from those hosts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>If this was coordinated by law enforcement or a private security group, they might have chosen not to trumpet their success, knowing that Troyak could still find another upstream. They might want to hold off until there is more to celebrate.  Or they might want to just have the private satisfaction of victory without giving the ZeuS operators anyone to target for the type of harassment they gave Roman Hüssy last year:<br />
<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/zeustracker_and_the_nuclear_op.html" rel="nofollow">http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/zeustracker_and_the_nuclear_op.html</a></p>
<p>But the fact that anyone cut off Troyak after allowing it to host criminals this long means that there has been a change in attitude affecting their upstream. There is one less bulletproof haven for companies like them. It means one less internet provider that doesn&#8217;t understand the difference between global free speech and operating a botnet that is used to commit crimes and trash people&#8217;s computers. </p>
<p>As the legitimate companies become more knowledgeable and the criminals become sequestered to a few truly amoral hosts, it does become practical to talk about quarantining all traffic from those hosts.</p>
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		<title>By: romans</title>
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		<dc:creator>romans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stupid info ) 
info about TROYAK
TROYAK works up and its very strong company)

see y back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hidden due to low comment rating. <a href="javascript:crSwitchDisplay('ckhide-3651');" title="Click to see comment">Click here to see</a>.</p><div id='ckhide-3651' style="display:none; opacity:0.6;filter:alpha(opacity=60) !important;"><p>stupid info )<br />
info about TROYAK<br />
TROYAK works up and its very strong company)</p>
<p>see y back</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good theory. Only 23% of Zeus infections are detectable. Maybe they&#039;re working on improving that. Bk certainly hasn&#039;t been friendly to them. If they can come up with a new variant that stays under the radar as well as this one - with a 0% detection rate to start with... Sounds like a great idea. &#039;I&#039;m a botnet operator and Windows was my idea.&#039; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good theory. Only 23% of Zeus infections are detectable. Maybe they&#8217;re working on improving that. Bk certainly hasn&#8217;t been friendly to them. If they can come up with a new variant that stays under the radar as well as this one &#8211; with a 0% detection rate to start with&#8230; Sounds like a great idea. &#8216;I&#8217;m a botnet operator and Windows was my idea.&#8217; <img src='http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I think the botnets are doing fine, thank you. They&#039;re still pulling hundreds of millions. You&#039;ve been reading &#039;voices&#039; and KoS presumably? If this is a bad year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I think the botnets are doing fine, thank you. They&#8217;re still pulling hundreds of millions. You&#8217;ve been reading &#8216;voices&#8217; and KoS presumably? If this is a bad year&#8230;</p>
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