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		<title>By: JCitizen</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/03/naming-and-shaming-bad-isps/comment-page-2/#comment-20713</link>
		<dc:creator>JCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks,  Steven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,  Steven.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/03/naming-and-shaming-bad-isps/comment-page-2/#comment-20707</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already reported it to Brian ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already reported it to Brian ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: JCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian;

Are you going to allow this kind of shameless spam? Just wondering. Some people probably think I spam because I like to promote good free security applications, but this is ridiculous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian;</p>
<p>Are you going to allow this kind of shameless spam? Just wondering. Some people probably think I spam because I like to promote good free security applications, but this is ridiculous!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Magruder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Magruder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, bigger players should have much more resources to systematically deal with botnets and the like.  Therefore, I think it&#039;s quite all right to block the likes of The Planet and Softlayer, as they really have no excuses that I can accept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, bigger players should have much more resources to systematically deal with botnets and the like.  Therefore, I think it&#8217;s quite all right to block the likes of The Planet and Softlayer, as they really have no excuses that I can accept.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo J. Nogueras</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/03/naming-and-shaming-bad-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-9337</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo J. Nogueras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.

I think your initiative is right on the spot.  It can be become a stepping stone to start more regulation.

But this kind of regulation must be centralized, like a regulatory agency to oversee internet activity in the US.  I make a reference to this, as you made a reference to the Department of Transportation and the EPA.

As you may know, the Bank Secrecy Act provides for companies that provide financial services to have a Know Your Customer program as part of their anti-money laundering activities.

Online services providers should be subject to this kind of oversight.  These types of rules are already in place for other industries and can be easily applied to this industry which is growing exponentially and without proper oversight.

As far as enacting these types of laws requires politics to be taken into consideration, but that is the system we live in.  There are multiple ways like you mention to protect the American citizen-if other countries don’t want to cooperate...-.  This is one suggestion to incorporate into other recommendations,

Hope it helps,

Eduardo J. Nogueras, CISA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.</p>
<p>I think your initiative is right on the spot.  It can be become a stepping stone to start more regulation.</p>
<p>But this kind of regulation must be centralized, like a regulatory agency to oversee internet activity in the US.  I make a reference to this, as you made a reference to the Department of Transportation and the EPA.</p>
<p>As you may know, the Bank Secrecy Act provides for companies that provide financial services to have a Know Your Customer program as part of their anti-money laundering activities.</p>
<p>Online services providers should be subject to this kind of oversight.  These types of rules are already in place for other industries and can be easily applied to this industry which is growing exponentially and without proper oversight.</p>
<p>As far as enacting these types of laws requires politics to be taken into consideration, but that is the system we live in.  There are multiple ways like you mention to protect the American citizen-if other countries don’t want to cooperate&#8230;-.  This is one suggestion to incorporate into other recommendations,</p>
<p>Hope it helps,</p>
<p>Eduardo J. Nogueras, CISA</p>
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		<title>By: Arioch</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/03/naming-and-shaming-bad-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-8127</link>
		<dc:creator>Arioch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; have consistently ignored almost every single abuse report I’ve sent to them.

May it be, then, that abuse reports are not to be private thing ?

Make some issue-tracker like service, with peer-reviewed karma (like on slashdot) to filter out false positives, make some tools that would forward report to proper ISP channels (old good abuse@ not always working or considered best channel) and maybe with some semi-automatic tools, that would aid web citizens in investigating/identifing malicious behaiours (simplistic is just checklist+suggestions, like &quot; run whois domain.tld , look for line like &quot;xxxx&quot; &quot; - so users would now how to get basic info)

Then in some time that &quot;PR Buulshiot&quot; would be confronted with statistics of sent (and ignored) reports</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; have consistently ignored almost every single abuse report I’ve sent to them.</p>
<p>May it be, then, that abuse reports are not to be private thing ?</p>
<p>Make some issue-tracker like service, with peer-reviewed karma (like on slashdot) to filter out false positives, make some tools that would forward report to proper ISP channels (old good abuse@ not always working or considered best channel) and maybe with some semi-automatic tools, that would aid web citizens in investigating/identifing malicious behaiours (simplistic is just checklist+suggestions, like &#8221; run whois domain.tld , look for line like &#8220;xxxx&#8221; &#8221; &#8211; so users would now how to get basic info)</p>
<p>Then in some time that &#8220;PR Buulshiot&#8221; would be confronted with statistics of sent (and ignored) reports</p>
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		<title>By: justjoseph</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/03/naming-and-shaming-bad-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-4998</link>
		<dc:creator>justjoseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justjoseph commenting on justjoseph&#039;s post...

That &quot;critique&quot; part of my previous post was in direct reply to a post by &quot;Joe&quot; (apparently an unpopular one - &quot;hidden&quot;).  

As to MR. Krebs blog and other articles (and his depth of concern and knowledge), I hold only respect (perhaps awe) for the intense research leading to sharply accurate presentations of complete sets of facts.  Your conclusions seem to &quot;spot-on&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>justjoseph commenting on justjoseph&#8217;s post&#8230;</p>
<p>That &#8220;critique&#8221; part of my previous post was in direct reply to a post by &#8220;Joe&#8221; (apparently an unpopular one &#8211; &#8220;hidden&#8221;).  </p>
<p>As to MR. Krebs blog and other articles (and his depth of concern and knowledge), I hold only respect (perhaps awe) for the intense research leading to sharply accurate presentations of complete sets of facts.  Your conclusions seem to &#8220;spot-on&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: justjoseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>justjoseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you said could be vaguely true...

I believe that if  &quot;self-policing&quot; does  not occur soonest, then the various Governments will become heavily involved &quot;in order to protect us all&quot;.  Then what you said will be tragically true!  Keep the hands of Governments off the &#039;net by self-governing is the answer.  I believe it is the only answer that will circumvent Governments&#039; intrusive (&amp; inevitably repressive) &quot;help&quot;!  

Your views (to me) seem short-sighted, narrowly conceived, lacking comprehension of the impact of the problem, and displaying ignorance of the existing technology (or of the capabilities of the concerned techies who CAN fix this problem).  Sorry for the tactless bluntness displayed in my critique of your views.  I do not intend to cast any shadow (or light) upon your personality or person in this post.

I believe we all work together, in like-mind, each doing what each can, to &quot;fix&quot; this &quot;annoyance&quot;, or we will all be soon &quot;enjoying the features and the benefits&quot; of having Governments step-in to &quot;protect&quot; us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you said could be vaguely true&#8230;</p>
<p>I believe that if  &#8220;self-policing&#8221; does  not occur soonest, then the various Governments will become heavily involved &#8220;in order to protect us all&#8221;.  Then what you said will be tragically true!  Keep the hands of Governments off the &#8216;net by self-governing is the answer.  I believe it is the only answer that will circumvent Governments&#8217; intrusive (&amp; inevitably repressive) &#8220;help&#8221;!  </p>
<p>Your views (to me) seem short-sighted, narrowly conceived, lacking comprehension of the impact of the problem, and displaying ignorance of the existing technology (or of the capabilities of the concerned techies who CAN fix this problem).  Sorry for the tactless bluntness displayed in my critique of your views.  I do not intend to cast any shadow (or light) upon your personality or person in this post.</p>
<p>I believe we all work together, in like-mind, each doing what each can, to &#8220;fix&#8221; this &#8220;annoyance&#8221;, or we will all be soon &#8220;enjoying the features and the benefits&#8221; of having Governments step-in to &#8220;protect&#8221; us!</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/03/naming-and-shaming-bad-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-4449</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack - sounds like you&#039;re talking from the point of view of a webmaster/sysadmin. Certainly, from that point of view, Chinanet is one of the &quot;worst&quot; ASes. But when talking about where the blame lies, it is a different matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack &#8211; sounds like you&#8217;re talking from the point of view of a webmaster/sysadmin. Certainly, from that point of view, Chinanet is one of the &#8220;worst&#8221; ASes. But when talking about where the blame lies, it is a different matter.</p>
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		<title>By: jackN</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it needs to be highlight and recognized. It my book it is the worst offender. this is due to the sophisticated, systematic and very persistant rouge bots coming from there. all you can do is block them, which I do 100%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it needs to be highlight and recognized. It my book it is the worst offender. this is due to the sophisticated, systematic and very persistant rouge bots coming from there. all you can do is block them, which I do 100%</p>
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