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		<title>By: Dunbar Pappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dunbar Pappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 08:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All PDF readers should have JavaScript turned off.
Using Firefox, as default browser, with &quot;NoScript&quot; add-on further diminishes the threat of these types of exploits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All PDF readers should have JavaScript turned off.<br />
Using Firefox, as default browser, with &#8220;NoScript&#8221; add-on further diminishes the threat of these types of exploits.</p>
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		<title>By: Deminyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deminyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that does not really help people who are stuck with Opera 9, since they might not even know about Opera 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that does not really help people who are stuck with Opera 9, since they might not even know about Opera 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - Sorry for breaking the thread with my previous comment.  

However, in regards to your comment about Opera not having an auto-updater, they actually added a very good one back in September with the release of Opera 10. 

http://help.opera.com/Windows/10.52/en/autoupdate.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; Sorry for breaking the thread with my previous comment.  </p>
<p>However, in regards to your comment about Opera not having an auto-updater, they actually added a very good one back in September with the release of Opera 10. </p>
<p><a href="http://help.opera.com/Windows/10.52/en/autoupdate.html" rel="nofollow">http://help.opera.com/Windows/10.52/en/autoupdate.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wladimir Palant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wladimir Palant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, for the Eleonore exploit kit I noticed that the data was mostly referring to Russian and Ukrainian users - which explains the large number of Opera users, Opera is pretty popular over there (easily more popular than Firefox for some user groups). So while I&#039;m not sure where this data sample comes from, it might get its traffic from malicious Russian websites again. The browser usage stats make sense then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, for the Eleonore exploit kit I noticed that the data was mostly referring to Russian and Ukrainian users &#8211; which explains the large number of Opera users, Opera is pretty popular over there (easily more popular than Firefox for some user groups). So while I&#8217;m not sure where this data sample comes from, it might get its traffic from malicious Russian websites again. The browser usage stats make sense then.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - Thanks for the response.  (And yes, I am referring to the larger image at Jorge’s site.)  

That said, I&#039;m in no way questioning the load percentage or the ability of iPack to find and target vulnerabilities in Opera. What perplexes me, however, is the wildly disproportionate traffic numbers associated with Opera.  As I stated above, Opera&#039;s worldwide market-share is barely 2%. Firefox is roughly 25% and MSIE just above 60%.  So why on earth does this sample reflect traffic numbers for Opera that are greater than that of Firefox and just under 50% of that MSIE?  

This specific sample provides traffic numbers that are clearly not representative of real world browser use; therefore, I find it difficult to assess the validity of its overall findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; Thanks for the response.  (And yes, I am referring to the larger image at Jorge’s site.)  </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m in no way questioning the load percentage or the ability of iPack to find and target vulnerabilities in Opera. What perplexes me, however, is the wildly disproportionate traffic numbers associated with Opera.  As I stated above, Opera&#8217;s worldwide market-share is barely 2%. Firefox is roughly 25% and MSIE just above 60%.  So why on earth does this sample reflect traffic numbers for Opera that are greater than that of Firefox and just under 50% of that MSIE?  </p>
<p>This specific sample provides traffic numbers that are clearly not representative of real world browser use; therefore, I find it difficult to assess the validity of its overall findings.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianKrebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianKrebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 04:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom -- If you&#039;re referring to the larger image at Jorge&#039;s site, I can&#039;t speak to the validity of those numbers. But you&#039;ll see from that image that of 177 times an Opera user hit the exploit pack, 17 times it actually found a vulnerability to exploit. That&#039;s about 10 percent of the time. Not terribly hard to believe, given that Opera does not contain anything close to an auto-update feature. My guess is a large percentage of Opera users surf with older insecure versions (in fact, studies have suggested this is the case with Opera more than any other major browser).

Jorge&#039;s list of exploits doesn&#039;t include mention of an Opera-specific exploit, although the PDF reader plugins et. al can certainly be an effective infection vector with Opera as well. I mention it only because when I wrote about the Eleonore kit that Wladimir was referencing above, I later learned that the version of the kit I was looking at indeed included an Opera-specific vulnerability (I think it was a telnet flaw)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>Tom &#8212; If you&#8217;re referring to the larger image at Jorge&#8217;s site, I can&#8217;t speak to the validity of those numbers. But you&#8217;ll see from that image that of 177 times an Opera user hit the exploit pack, 17 times it actually found a vulnerability to exploit. That&#8217;s about 10 percent of the time. Not terribly hard to believe, given that Opera does not contain anything close to an auto-update feature. My guess is a large percentage of Opera users surf with older insecure versions (in fact, studies have suggested this is the case with Opera more than any other major browser).</p>
<p>Jorge&#8217;s list of exploits doesn&#8217;t include mention of an Opera-specific exploit, although the PDF reader plugins et. al can certainly be an effective infection vector with Opera as well. I mention it only because when I wrote about the Eleonore kit that Wladimir was referencing above, I later learned that the version of the kit I was looking at indeed included an Opera-specific vulnerability (I think it was a telnet flaw)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wladimir,

Since Opera is my primary browser, I also noticed the disproportionate  level of  traffic and successful loads affecting it.  Given Opera&#039;s minuscule worldwide market share, this data just doesn&#039;t make sense. In fact, it really makes me question the validity of the entire data set. Per these stats, Opera&#039;s &quot;traffic&quot; was more than that Firefox and almost half that of MSIE (all versions), yet Net Applications&#039; April browser market share data shows that Opera currently has barely 2% worldwide penetration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wladimir,</p>
<p>Since Opera is my primary browser, I also noticed the disproportionate  level of  traffic and successful loads affecting it.  Given Opera&#8217;s minuscule worldwide market share, this data just doesn&#8217;t make sense. In fact, it really makes me question the validity of the entire data set. Per these stats, Opera&#8217;s &#8220;traffic&#8221; was more than that Firefox and almost half that of MSIE (all versions), yet Net Applications&#8217; April browser market share data shows that Opera currently has barely 2% worldwide penetration.</p>
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		<title>By: BattleChicken</title>
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		<dc:creator>BattleChicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this case, it is an actual PDF exploit - the issue is with the specification that allows execution.

Other than a popup that warns you &quot;hey, this PDF wants to run this file&quot;, the code will run and bad things can happen.

With Foxit (until a very recent fix) the exploit would run without even the popup to warn you - The issue is with the PDF specification, not with a program bug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case, it is an actual PDF exploit &#8211; the issue is with the specification that allows execution.</p>
<p>Other than a popup that warns you &#8220;hey, this PDF wants to run this file&#8221;, the code will run and bad things can happen.</p>
<p>With Foxit (until a very recent fix) the exploit would run without even the popup to warn you &#8211; The issue is with the PDF specification, not with a program bug.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianKrebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianKrebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the attacks against PDFs were are seeing (not necessarily these) exist across multiple PDF readers. For example, yesterday I blogged about a large-scale spam run that spreads Zeus using the launch feature built into both Adobe and Foxit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>Some of the attacks against PDFs were are seeing (not necessarily these) exist across multiple PDF readers. For example, yesterday I blogged about a large-scale spam run that spreads Zeus using the launch feature built into both Adobe and Foxit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no really good way to name them. Technically you could call them &quot;Adobe Reader and/or Adobe Acrobat exploits&quot;, but I seriously doubt humans will abandon the much shorter &quot;PDF exploit&quot; for that mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no really good way to name them. Technically you could call them &#8220;Adobe Reader and/or Adobe Acrobat exploits&#8221;, but I seriously doubt humans will abandon the much shorter &#8220;PDF exploit&#8221; for that mess.</p>
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