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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/microsoft-adobe-push-critical-security-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-6425</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6/2/10

Brian,

As I recall, the Secunia Software Inspector, admirable and convenient as you state, requires Java&#039;s JRE to work.  But, for the record, don&#039;t you also find JRE often to be a target of security issues, so much so that you recommend purging JRE from one&#039;s system if possible?  I would appreciate your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6/2/10</p>
<p>Brian,</p>
<p>As I recall, the Secunia Software Inspector, admirable and convenient as you state, requires Java&#8217;s JRE to work.  But, for the record, don&#8217;t you also find JRE often to be a target of security issues, so much so that you recommend purging JRE from one&#8217;s system if possible?  I would appreciate your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Guenther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Guenther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Microsoft Vista Home Basic edition and Microsoft Office 2007.

I had to turn User Account Control off to install the Microsoft Office update.  With User Account Control on, the update failed with error 646.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Microsoft Vista Home Basic edition and Microsoft Office 2007.</p>
<p>I had to turn User Account Control off to install the Microsoft Office update.  With User Account Control on, the update failed with error 646.</p>
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		<title>By: Solo Owl</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/microsoft-adobe-push-critical-security-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-5870</link>
		<dc:creator>Solo Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 18:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to jv16 Power Tools, Macecraft also has the free Power Tools Lite. It is not configurable and tags much less for deletion; you can&#039;t harm yourself. It is eminently suitable for nontechies.

CCleaner, like every Registry cleaner I have used (except jv16) has seduced me into removing something that some program needed. Also, CCleaner, on its main pages, offers too many options for the casual user. Its defaults are too far-reaching for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to jv16 Power Tools, Macecraft also has the free Power Tools Lite. It is not configurable and tags much less for deletion; you can&#8217;t harm yourself. It is eminently suitable for nontechies.</p>
<p>CCleaner, like every Registry cleaner I have used (except jv16) has seduced me into removing something that some program needed. Also, CCleaner, on its main pages, offers too many options for the casual user. Its defaults are too far-reaching for me.</p>
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		<title>By: JCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 19:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Solo Owl;

This is why I like Secunia PSI so much. It points to files that may be left behind and could be used to compromise the PC.

I use the file path to go delete the offending remnant and then run CCleaner registry cleaner just to be sure. Then reboot.

JV16 would be better; I just haven&#039;t had to money to purchase the lifetime license. I will do it ASAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Solo Owl;</p>
<p>This is why I like Secunia PSI so much. It points to files that may be left behind and could be used to compromise the PC.</p>
<p>I use the file path to go delete the offending remnant and then run CCleaner registry cleaner just to be sure. Then reboot.</p>
<p>JV16 would be better; I just haven&#8217;t had to money to purchase the lifetime license. I will do it ASAP!</p>
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		<title>By: Solo Owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solo Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it does not completely remove all parts of the older version, then it sucks. You might still have a vulnerability that be useful to some criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it does not completely remove all parts of the older version, then it sucks. You might still have a vulnerability that be useful to some criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Solo Owl</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/microsoft-adobe-push-critical-security-updates/comment-page-1/#comment-5844</link>
		<dc:creator>Solo Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To uninstall older versions of Shockwave you may need Adobe&#039;s uninstall tool. It can be downloaded from
    http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ 
(scroll down to Shockwave, and click on the Uninstaller).

Even so, Secunia PSI detects remnants of old Adobe versions scattered about the hard drive. These must be marked as system or something because they can&#039;t be deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To uninstall older versions of Shockwave you may need Adobe&#8217;s uninstall tool. It can be downloaded from<br />
    <a href="http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/</a><br />
(scroll down to Shockwave, and click on the Uninstaller).</p>
<p>Even so, Secunia PSI detects remnants of old Adobe versions scattered about the hard drive. These must be marked as system or something because they can&#8217;t be deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Solo Owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solo Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adobe AIR (whatever that is) and Adobe Updater appeared unbidden on my computer with some update. This prompted me to uninstall every scrap of Adobe from my computer. After running the jv16 Registry Cleaner, I made a fresh &quot;offline&quot; install of Adobe Flash from a downloaded file.

Part of my reaction is conditioned on the fact that when you install Adobe Reader, you get AIR and Updater (and who knows what else). The total installation exceeds 100 MB. Pure bloat.]

Compare that to Sumatra PDF Reader -- less than 2 MB. The Sumatra install file will fit on one floppy. Imagine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe AIR (whatever that is) and Adobe Updater appeared unbidden on my computer with some update. This prompted me to uninstall every scrap of Adobe from my computer. After running the jv16 Registry Cleaner, I made a fresh &#8220;offline&#8221; install of Adobe Flash from a downloaded file.</p>
<p>Part of my reaction is conditioned on the fact that when you install Adobe Reader, you get AIR and Updater (and who knows what else). The total installation exceeds 100 MB. Pure bloat.]</p>
<p>Compare that to Sumatra PDF Reader &#8212; less than 2 MB. The Sumatra install file will fit on one floppy. Imagine!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 14:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;If that link above shows that you do have Shockwave Player installed, it’s time to update it. &quot;

Surely that should read:

 &quot;... it&#039;s time to delete it.&quot;

There is effectively zero need to have it installed, so get rid of it and avoid having the pointless headache of needing to keep it up-to-date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>Quote: &#8220;If that link above shows that you do have Shockwave Player installed, it’s time to update it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Surely that should read:</p>
<p> &#8220;&#8230; it&#8217;s time to delete it.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is effectively zero need to have it installed, so get rid of it and avoid having the pointless headache of needing to keep it up-to-date.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Knowles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Knowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 12:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I&#039;m current. I don&#039;t uninstall any previous versions with new versions, and  it doesn&#039;t seem to mind. It only checks if your browser is open. It won&#039;t install if it is, so you have to reinstall after closing the browser. I always reboot after any application update or installation as a matter of practice. I don&#039;t use Flash player as I have Flash CS4 with its own player where the different version numbers arise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I&#8217;m current. I don&#8217;t uninstall any previous versions with new versions, and  it doesn&#8217;t seem to mind. It only checks if your browser is open. It won&#8217;t install if it is, so you have to reinstall after closing the browser. I always reboot after any application update or installation as a matter of practice. I don&#8217;t use Flash player as I have Flash CS4 with its own player where the different version numbers arise.</p>
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		<title>By: JCitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 18:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Adobe has a new download manager that does make life somewhat easier. Plus the fact that the installation utility removes some previous versions, but not all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Adobe has a new download manager that does make life somewhat easier. Plus the fact that the installation utility removes some previous versions, but not all of them.</p>
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