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		<title>By: Dweep777</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-18620</link>
		<dc:creator>Dweep777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked in IT for 25 years and have watched the &#039;social networking&#039; phenomenon with interest. Had a FB account for about 15 minutes which is how long it took to realise the lack-of-privacy implications of having that account. Leave my personal data online forever, so that anyone with half a brain can have full &quot;mining rights&quot; to it ? No thanks.

The premise that anything at all could be on line in the public Internet space, and at the same time be private, secure and remain your sole property, is kind of...well...a contradiction of terms. The longer you think about it, the more absurd such a premise becomes.

The long line of corporations queueing up to put their data &quot;in the cloud&quot; is totally ridiculous for way too many reasons to list here - not the least of them being the &quot;cloud&quot; terminology. Equally amazing is the panic of corporations to RECLAIM their online data after a couple of national governments flicked the &quot;kill switch&quot; ... good luck with that one. Do you think you reclaimed all of it, or could there still be a copy of it floating around out there in &quot;the cloud&quot; somewhere ?

Call me old school, but I prefer sending good old email (I don&#039;t leave it online) &amp; blogs, making phone calls, meeting people face to face (i.e. actually in person), and so on. If I want person &quot;A&quot; or &quot;Z&quot; to know what I&#039;m doing, I prefer to tell them myself ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked in IT for 25 years and have watched the &#8216;social networking&#8217; phenomenon with interest. Had a FB account for about 15 minutes which is how long it took to realise the lack-of-privacy implications of having that account. Leave my personal data online forever, so that anyone with half a brain can have full &#8220;mining rights&#8221; to it ? No thanks.</p>
<p>The premise that anything at all could be on line in the public Internet space, and at the same time be private, secure and remain your sole property, is kind of&#8230;well&#8230;a contradiction of terms. The longer you think about it, the more absurd such a premise becomes.</p>
<p>The long line of corporations queueing up to put their data &#8220;in the cloud&#8221; is totally ridiculous for way too many reasons to list here &#8211; not the least of them being the &#8220;cloud&#8221; terminology. Equally amazing is the panic of corporations to RECLAIM their online data after a couple of national governments flicked the &#8220;kill switch&#8221; &#8230; good luck with that one. Do you think you reclaimed all of it, or could there still be a copy of it floating around out there in &#8220;the cloud&#8221; somewhere ?</p>
<p>Call me old school, but I prefer sending good old email (I don&#8217;t leave it online) &amp; blogs, making phone calls, meeting people face to face (i.e. actually in person), and so on. If I want person &#8220;A&#8221; or &#8220;Z&#8221; to know what I&#8217;m doing, I prefer to tell them myself &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo Guy</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6987</link>
		<dc:creator>Gringo Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rarely use FB, but there is always one friend or another who only communicates that way. The privacy settings were obscure when I started, and they are far worse now.

After struggling and guessing, I finally created a second FB user, so now I can login and confirm what others are actually seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely use FB, but there is always one friend or another who only communicates that way. The privacy settings were obscure when I started, and they are far worse now.</p>
<p>After struggling and guessing, I finally created a second FB user, so now I can login and confirm what others are actually seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rootkits through the air</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6556</link>
		<dc:creator>Rootkits through the air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook should be renamed Facepalm.

The image conjured up of the Facebook community is like that of a swimming pool which is never cleaned, everyone urinating and defecating in the same water they wade in, merrily conversing with one another while their lives quickly ebb away.

Another way to look at it is a tar pit, one fool jumps in and pretends to party but discovers something isn&#039;t quite right about the situation while another fool jumps in to join him, the process continuing with each new registration.

With more and more private docments going online without our approval, often hosted or connected to compromised systems running arcane versions of Windows or recent versions of Windows well rooted with intentional back doors or unintentional trojans/rootkits, data spills must be loved by governments, it&#039;s an easy way for them to obtain the information since they must investigate the spills which usually means data pull from suspected machines.

Whether or not you use Facebook does not matter, your personal data is being compiled and put online at an alarming rate and unless you&#039;re living in the jungle and communing with people who all remain off the grid, at some point your data is or will be spilled, hackers or no hackers.

No rootkit in the machine at a software level, how about blackbox hardware components? How many systems are &quot;owned&quot; by government(s) by satcom? How much do you really know about the limitations of hardware? Do you know how easily your PCI cards and network cards can be owned? 

Have you researched your computer&#039;s cables and shielding? Are your network or computer(s) shielded at all? When you dig deep enough through research, you&#039;ll discover, as I have, our computers are much more powerful and vulnerable to attacks from space and other vectors outside of our buildings than most can ever imagine.

Privacy is dead in the world of electricity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook should be renamed Facepalm.</p>
<p>The image conjured up of the Facebook community is like that of a swimming pool which is never cleaned, everyone urinating and defecating in the same water they wade in, merrily conversing with one another while their lives quickly ebb away.</p>
<p>Another way to look at it is a tar pit, one fool jumps in and pretends to party but discovers something isn&#8217;t quite right about the situation while another fool jumps in to join him, the process continuing with each new registration.</p>
<p>With more and more private docments going online without our approval, often hosted or connected to compromised systems running arcane versions of Windows or recent versions of Windows well rooted with intentional back doors or unintentional trojans/rootkits, data spills must be loved by governments, it&#8217;s an easy way for them to obtain the information since they must investigate the spills which usually means data pull from suspected machines.</p>
<p>Whether or not you use Facebook does not matter, your personal data is being compiled and put online at an alarming rate and unless you&#8217;re living in the jungle and communing with people who all remain off the grid, at some point your data is or will be spilled, hackers or no hackers.</p>
<p>No rootkit in the machine at a software level, how about blackbox hardware components? How many systems are &#8220;owned&#8221; by government(s) by satcom? How much do you really know about the limitations of hardware? Do you know how easily your PCI cards and network cards can be owned? </p>
<p>Have you researched your computer&#8217;s cables and shielding? Are your network or computer(s) shielded at all? When you dig deep enough through research, you&#8217;ll discover, as I have, our computers are much more powerful and vulnerable to attacks from space and other vectors outside of our buildings than most can ever imagine.</p>
<p>Privacy is dead in the world of electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6031</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can get around Google, at least for now, by using https://ssl.scroogle.org/ but no way to get around FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can get around Google, at least for now, by using <a href="https://ssl.scroogle.org/" rel="nofollow">https://ssl.scroogle.org/</a> but no way to get around FB.</p>
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		<title>By: John N.</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6029</link>
		<dc:creator>John N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 11:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll be interesting to see if Facebook decides to treat this program the way they treated Power Ventures and its Power.com service.  (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook,_Inc._v._Power_Ventures,_Inc.)

On one hand, they have a precedent to try to maintain, on the other it would look really bad for them to sue someone attempting to help people understand Facebook&#039;s privacy features right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see if Facebook decides to treat this program the way they treated Power Ventures and its Power.com service.  (See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook,_Inc._v._Power_Ventures,_Inc" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook,_Inc._v._Power_Ventures,_Inc</a>.)</p>
<p>On one hand, they have a precedent to try to maintain, on the other it would look really bad for them to sue someone attempting to help people understand Facebook&#8217;s privacy features right now.</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaCentauri</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6027</link>
		<dc:creator>AlphaCentauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 02:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not the only one thinking that way:
http://www.borowitzreport.com/2010/02/09/introducing-the-hot-new-social-network-phonebook/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not the only one thinking that way:<br />
<a href="http://www.borowitzreport.com/2010/02/09/introducing-the-hot-new-social-network-phonebook/" rel="nofollow">http://www.borowitzreport.com/2010/02/09/introducing-the-hot-new-social-network-phonebook/</a></p>
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		<title>By: xAdmin</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6026</link>
		<dc:creator>xAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 01:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or that old thing called a telephone! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or that old thing called a telephone! <img src='http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/05/reclaimprivacy-org-facebook-privacy-101/comment-page-1/#comment-6021</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 20:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Not surprisingly, my greatest risk was the stuff I shared with friends only being further shared with everyone in the galaxy because of THEIR sharing preference.&#039;

Hmm. It&#039;s like the old adage about sleeping with half the world. Same thing actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Not surprisingly, my greatest risk was the stuff I shared with friends only being further shared with everyone in the galaxy because of THEIR sharing preference.&#8217;</p>
<p>Hmm. It&#8217;s like the old adage about sleeping with half the world. Same thing actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 20:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you plan on using it again?

http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you plan on using it again?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 20:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. SMH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. SMH.</p>
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