Comments on: Using Windows for a Day Cost Mac User $100,000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/ In-depth security news and investigation Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:29:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Warren http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-11016 Warren Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:13:56 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-11016 I haven't read ALL of the above comments, but enough to conclude that the vast majority of commenters have been blinded to reality. Many of them appear to be rather educated and experienced IT professionals who have aided in continuing to mislead people into thinking that Windows computers are less secure than Mac or . I find that really disappointing. The reality is: The most popular OS has the greatest exposure to threat. Virus writers (as sick as they are) want their little release to actually affect some computers, so they will target the most popular OS. Why waste your time on the vulnerabilities of the lesser ones? Yes, they ARE vulnerable. Apple (and their faithful adherents) gleefully gloat that Mac is so much more secure than Windows. What a crock. The faithful are so deceived that they use their computers completely unprotected. It's like believing an automaker's claim that a car is so safe that you don't need seatbelts. Fact is, you are driving on the same roads as everybody else, so buckle up. The writer of this article and many of you other commenters really need to listen to what you are proposing: Rather than properly protect your Windows computer AND actually learn how to safely use the Internet, you propose that you spend a pile of extra money to buy an Apple computer (which is only a propietary Intel PC these days anyway) for an obscene amount of money IN ADDITION to your Windows computer (which you must acknowlege is needed because your Mac won't do what you need it to do) for the sole purpose of online banking. Wow. Amazing. And incredibly inconvenient and stupid. C'mon, people - buy some decent security software for your Windows PC, sell your stupid Apple and take a course on how to use the Internet safely. Don't let your kids use your computer unsupervised. In other words, get smart; get real. Quit wasting time and money!

I haven’t read ALL of the above comments, but enough to conclude that the vast majority of commenters have been blinded to reality. Many of them appear to be rather educated and experienced IT professionals who have aided in continuing to mislead people into thinking that Windows computers are less secure than Mac or . I find that really disappointing.

The reality is: The most popular OS has the greatest exposure to threat. Virus writers (as sick as they are) want their little release to actually affect some computers, so they will target the most popular OS. Why waste your time on the vulnerabilities of the lesser ones? Yes, they ARE vulnerable.

Apple (and their faithful adherents) gleefully gloat that Mac is so much more secure than Windows. What a crock. The faithful are so deceived that they use their computers completely unprotected. It’s like believing an automaker’s claim that a car is so safe that you don’t need seatbelts. Fact is, you are driving on the same roads as everybody else, so buckle up.

The writer of this article and many of you other commenters really need to listen to what you are proposing: Rather than properly protect your Windows computer AND actually learn how to safely use the Internet, you propose that you spend a pile of extra money to buy an Apple computer (which is only a propietary Intel PC these days anyway) for an obscene amount of money IN ADDITION to your Windows computer (which you must acknowlege is needed because your Mac won’t do what you need it to do) for the sole purpose of online banking. Wow. Amazing. And incredibly inconvenient and stupid.

C’mon, people – buy some decent security software for your Windows PC, sell your stupid Apple and take a course on how to use the Internet safely. Don’t let your kids use your computer unsupervised. In other words, get smart; get real. Quit wasting time and money!

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]]> By: Cole http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-7472 Cole Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:13:06 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-7472 The best way to prevent this in North America is to use the same system European banks use. Every transfer requires the user to enter a random code from a list of codes (called iTAN) that is given to you by the bank when you open your account. It's just way to easy to get into someone's bank account here, even a teenager could do it. The best way to prevent this in North America is to use the same system European banks use. Every transfer requires the user to enter a random code from a list of codes (called iTAN) that is given to you by the bank when you open your account.

It’s just way to easy to get into someone’s bank account here, even a teenager could do it.

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]]> By: John Kramarz http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-1/#comment-7463 John Kramarz Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:58:52 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-7463 "they believe their precious iGadgets are impregnable and surely a jilted ex-employee or corrupt bank teller is to blame." well, yes. Very close, but it seems jealous infected Windows users like to use absolute words like "impregnable". When you say "iGadgets" I think of iPad, iPhone, iPodTouch, etc. Software and media for those devices is available only through iTunes Store, where everything is checked out for security. Problems still might happen, but VERY less likely. It certainly is one solution, and one they take a lot of grief for. We'll have to wait and see if any Android programs end up being security issues. Also, for a mac user, $100k might not be a big deal to be noticed ; ) “they believe their precious iGadgets are impregnable and surely a jilted ex-employee or corrupt bank teller is to blame.”

well, yes. Very close, but it seems jealous infected Windows users like to use absolute words like “impregnable”.
When you say “iGadgets” I think of iPad, iPhone, iPodTouch, etc. Software and media for those devices is available only through iTunes Store, where everything is checked out for security. Problems still might happen, but VERY less likely.
It certainly is one solution, and one they take a lot of grief for.
We’ll have to wait and see if any Android programs end up being security issues.
Also, for a mac user, $100k might not be a big deal to be noticed ; )

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]]> By: magicmoss http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-7352 magicmoss Sun, 04 Jul 2010 00:00:40 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-7352 Using Mac for a Day Cost Windows User $100,000 Using Mac for a Day Cost Windows User $100,000

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]]> By: Mike http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-7273 Mike Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:54:40 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-7273 This is a really tricky thing getting on pc's that are yourss. Even if you think you have no virus you could easily ahve one. I got this little device http://www.tapdrive.com that i really love. Its a usb drive wit hits own read only OS in it. This little baby is 100% virus proof. You can do on-line banking with ease of mind. for like $50 its so worth it This is a really tricky thing getting on pc’s that are yourss. Even if you think you have no virus you could easily ahve one. I got this little device http://www.tapdrive.com that i really love. Its a usb drive wit hits own read only OS in it. This little baby is 100% virus proof. You can do on-line banking with ease of mind. for like $50 its so worth it

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]]> By: F http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-2/#comment-7241 F Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:38:11 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-7241 If you're a developer you still need to be logged in to Windows as an administrator all the time or else you are just wasting your time. So developers STILL need to get another computer for their web surfing and email. On Linux you can just sudo for the rare moments when the developer needs to install something to test it, and developers can log in as normal users. If you’re a developer you still need to be logged in to Windows as an administrator all the time or else you are just wasting your time. So developers STILL need to get another computer for their web surfing and email.

On Linux you can just sudo for the rare moments when the developer needs to install something to test it, and developers can log in as normal users.

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]]> By: Alan http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-7082 Alan Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:39:06 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-7082 @John Harris: "Unix, Linux, BSD, Apple OS-X, etc, are operating systems that are designed from the ground up, to be secure." No one has figured it out how to design secure software in the sense you suggest. All software vendors are issuing a constant stream of critical security fixes for operating systems and applications. @John Harris: “Unix, Linux, BSD, Apple OS-X, etc, are operating systems that are designed from the ground up, to be secure.”

No one has figured it out how to design secure software in the sense you suggest. All software vendors are issuing a constant stream of critical security fixes for operating systems and applications.

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]]> By: xAdmin http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-6958 xAdmin Sun, 20 Jun 2010 06:19:43 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-6958 I probably shouldn't even respond as you know what they say about feeding you know what............ oh, never mind! :P Wow! I've got to hand it to you. You've really nailed it! You owned it! (Although a little pitchy at times). I see the light now. This Microsoft apologist, paid troll, seriously misinformed, and/or armchair expert, Redmond fan boy, and sad little apologist (oh, said that already) is going to take his little broken red wagon to the scrap heap and go out and get a brand new shiny Apple or Penguiny thingy! You know because there are so many "high quality, open source, business grade software, to do what we need, without being exploited" out there now. Oh, oh, not to mention games! Uh huh! ;P (See how ridiculous you sound???) And to think you had me at "I seriously cannot believe". :) I probably shouldn’t even respond as you know what they say about feeding you know what………… oh, never mind! :P

Wow! I’ve got to hand it to you. You’ve really nailed it! You owned it! (Although a little pitchy at times). I see the light now. This Microsoft apologist, paid troll, seriously misinformed, and/or armchair expert, Redmond fan boy, and sad little apologist (oh, said that already) is going to take his little broken red wagon to the scrap heap and go out and get a brand new shiny Apple or Penguiny thingy! You know because there are so many “high quality, open source, business grade software, to do what we need, without being exploited” out there now. Oh, oh, not to mention games! Uh huh! ;P

(See how ridiculous you sound???) And to think you had me at “I seriously cannot believe”. :)

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]]> By: John Harris http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-6952 John Harris Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:13:44 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-6952 I seriously cannot believe the number of Microsoft Apologists, Paid Trolls, Seriously misinformed, and/or armchair experts, who it appears, are haunting this forum. They all simply fail to understand, or fail to acknowledge, the fundamental differences between a system that is inherently broken, versus any system that is designed not to be. Unix, Linux, BSD, Apple OS-X, etc, are operating systems that are designed from the ground up, to be secure. They require little effort to make them even more secure. Any and all exploits (Minuscule number thereof) are either academic, or require the operator to take leave of their senses. Even then, this leave of common sense is not normally granted by the aforementioned systems. Fixing the aforementioned problem on a Non Redmond platform is also ridiculous easy. Most times, it requires no more than a simple restart. More so, more often than not, it must be a conscious, or otherwise, seriously flawed, decision to allow the system to be compromised. As compared to the Redmond incorporation's decision to cater for the least common denominator, allowed near a keyboard. My *Nix and Apple clients simply don't have their less fortunate Redmond Cousins Daily, Weekly, or ZERO day, problems with security. This, regardless of any conspiracy theory from Trolls, Redmond Apologists, or others, aside. The grand Furhpy that the dark forces of the Internets favors the biggest numbers, of the most common, this being, Microsoft {Anything}, has been proven false, over and over and over again. The sad little apoligists should simply accept that their little red wagon is broken. Further more, instead of trying to do a King Canute, that is, beating the waves back in a futile manner, they should ask their current chair tossing glorious leader to fix the fundamental problem, in Windows 7, or was that (Severe) or whatever version of Windows N(ot) T(ested), comes next. When Microsoft can imitate even half of the Unix/Linux/Apple code base for security, then you can start to boast. However, by the time that happens, Linux will have gone from a Twenty percent Desktop Market share, to a Forty percent one. Sadly, for the Redmond Fan Boys, they know that Firefox is burning their Web Browser share of the market to the ground. A simple check of the logs of the dominant web platform (L.A.M.P.) will show that their Fat Client is being replaced by a very substantial increase in the number of non Redmond (Linux) and Apple OS_X systems, in the client mix. This being, by both Web Browser and Workstation (Operating System) choice. So, Redmond lovers, deal with it, get your house into order, stop getting in the way of the rest of us, who oddly enough, contrary to some of the propaganda touted in this forum, have more than enough high quality, open source, business grade software, to do what we need, while using Linux, or Apple OS-X, without being exploited. As for counting true Market share, this is measured at and by, the Server Logs of the most dominant Server operating system (L.A.M.P.) on the planet, which sadly for Redmond, is not their rubbish. Certainly not as as measured by the exit figures from Costo or some other (Redmond) vendors quarterly or annual sales rally. Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: Alan http://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/06/using-windows-for-a-day-cost-mac-user-100000/comment-page-3/#comment-6922 Alan Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:19:11 +0000 http://krebsonsecurity.com/?p=3247#comment-6922 Apple secretly updates malware protection http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2010/06/18/apple-secretly-updates-mac-malware-protection/ The new protection is against a Trojan that depends on social engineering (like a lot of malware). So why update it silently? The first line of defense is always user awareness and education because users are the weakest link.

Apple secretly updates malware protection
http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2010/06/18/apple-secretly-updates-mac-malware-protection/

The new protection is against a Trojan that depends on social engineering (like a lot of malware). So why update it silently? The first line of defense is always user awareness and education because users are the weakest link.

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