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		<title>By: na</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/pharma-wars-paying-for-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-29744</link>
		<dc:creator>na</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Krebs himself offender
Protects corporations that do not pay taxes and sell drugs that cost cents

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121858559939134899.html?mod=us_business_whats_news]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krebs himself offender<br />
Protects corporations that do not pay taxes and sell drugs that cost cents</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121858559939134899.html?mod=us_business_whats_news" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121858559939134899.html?mod=us_business_whats_news</a></p>
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		<title>By: JCitizen</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/pharma-wars-paying-for-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-28842</link>
		<dc:creator>JCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear ya Nick P. If the politicians want to improve the economy, they better get on board, or we&#039;ll be treading water for decades!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya Nick P. If the politicians want to improve the economy, they better get on board, or we&#8217;ll be treading water for decades!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick P</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/pharma-wars-paying-for-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-28695</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 04:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your position on patent rights. If this were the situation, schemes like mine wouldn&#039;t need to exist. Sadly, I had to create yet another approach to deal with the &quot;reality&quot; of the situation, a reality far from these alternatives that have yet to be implemented. I hope we will get real patent &amp; copyright reform in the near future. The outlook is bleak in that most &quot;reform&quot; bills gaining traction are financed by the same people who promoted current laws &amp; have provisions that essentially let them get away with many of the same things. 

So, until the change happens, various offshore &amp; legal strategies must be implemented to keep the US &quot;justice&quot; system from being used by the sneaky or powerful to siphon money from innovative new or financially weak companies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your position on patent rights. If this were the situation, schemes like mine wouldn&#8217;t need to exist. Sadly, I had to create yet another approach to deal with the &#8220;reality&#8221; of the situation, a reality far from these alternatives that have yet to be implemented. I hope we will get real patent &amp; copyright reform in the near future. The outlook is bleak in that most &#8220;reform&#8221; bills gaining traction are financed by the same people who promoted current laws &amp; have provisions that essentially let them get away with many of the same things. </p>
<p>So, until the change happens, various offshore &amp; legal strategies must be implemented to keep the US &#8220;justice&#8221; system from being used by the sneaky or powerful to siphon money from innovative new or financially weak companies.</p>
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		<title>By: JCitizen</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/pharma-wars-paying-for-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-28626</link>
		<dc:creator>JCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 20:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Under my scenario; only the originator of the idea would have IP rights - calling them trolls is not productive. You can&#039;t have innovation without making it worth while to the first person to come up with a good idea. Whether they are a manufacturer or a guy with an ACAD program at home makes no difference. Right is right, we need justice in the system. If they would modernize it to protect the little guy as well; the US would lurch ahead of the rest of the &quot;free&quot; world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under my scenario; only the originator of the idea would have IP rights &#8211; calling them trolls is not productive. You can&#8217;t have innovation without making it worth while to the first person to come up with a good idea. Whether they are a manufacturer or a guy with an ACAD program at home makes no difference. Right is right, we need justice in the system. If they would modernize it to protect the little guy as well; the US would lurch ahead of the rest of the &#8220;free&#8221; world.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And that&#039;s exactly what they are doing in the US via patent system &amp; copyright laws. Intellectual Ventures alone has coerced about $5 billion from US companies using threats to shut them down with huge fines &amp; law suits. Groups like Righthaven go buy copyrights to individual news articles &amp; sue every blogger they can find that reposts it, putting many out of commission. Heck, you can&#039;t even legally sing &quot;Happy Birthday&quot; without paying a royalty. (Fortunately, they only sue studios for that... so far.) 

Not to mention, it was lobbyists bribing politicians that made those copyright/patent laws as they are &amp; kept them that way to this day. The pharmaceutical industry alone pays several million a year. These are laws that affect everyone on a regular basis &amp; make this extortion very easy &amp; legal for the attackers (err I.P. hoarders). On the other hand, the Russian issue affects companies sporadically &amp; can be used by both sides. Personally, I think we have it worse on this issue.

So, the thing you worry about already happens in the United States en masse. But in Russia, it might not be a problem &amp; business would flow as usual. That was the point. Certain businesses that are high-risk here are lower risk there due to the corruption &amp; even a $100,000 bribe to shut down a lawsuit would have been better than paying say $200 million (i.e. Microsoft) to a troll. Worse, the troll will use the money to extort even more companies, reducing innovation &amp; maybe putting them out of business. I don&#039;t support or endorse corruption in governments, but if it&#039;s going to persist it might be a survival strategy for certain companies with high risk I.P. 

(If you have a better one, by all means do tell. So far, even Microsoft&#039;s highly paid lawyers couldn&#039;t find a way out of this legalized extortion.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s exactly what they are doing in the US via patent system &amp; copyright laws. Intellectual Ventures alone has coerced about $5 billion from US companies using threats to shut them down with huge fines &amp; law suits. Groups like Righthaven go buy copyrights to individual news articles &amp; sue every blogger they can find that reposts it, putting many out of commission. Heck, you can&#8217;t even legally sing &#8220;Happy Birthday&#8221; without paying a royalty. (Fortunately, they only sue studios for that&#8230; so far.) </p>
<p>Not to mention, it was lobbyists bribing politicians that made those copyright/patent laws as they are &amp; kept them that way to this day. The pharmaceutical industry alone pays several million a year. These are laws that affect everyone on a regular basis &amp; make this extortion very easy &amp; legal for the attackers (err I.P. hoarders). On the other hand, the Russian issue affects companies sporadically &amp; can be used by both sides. Personally, I think we have it worse on this issue.</p>
<p>So, the thing you worry about already happens in the United States en masse. But in Russia, it might not be a problem &amp; business would flow as usual. That was the point. Certain businesses that are high-risk here are lower risk there due to the corruption &amp; even a $100,000 bribe to shut down a lawsuit would have been better than paying say $200 million (i.e. Microsoft) to a troll. Worse, the troll will use the money to extort even more companies, reducing innovation &amp; maybe putting them out of business. I don&#8217;t support or endorse corruption in governments, but if it&#8217;s going to persist it might be a survival strategy for certain companies with high risk I.P. </p>
<p>(If you have a better one, by all means do tell. So far, even Microsoft&#8217;s highly paid lawyers couldn&#8217;t find a way out of this legalized extortion.)</p>
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		<title>By: Neej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the risk of oversimplification and sounding glib I say that this is the American voters fault that collectively they&#039;re paying four times as much for healthcare as the number one country whilst being ranked at number 42 for health outcomes (according to some studies anyhow - whatever, you still pay exorbitant amounts).  

Add to this the large numbers of people that are bankrupted every year through health costs that are no fault of their own even if they&#039;re insured - to an outsider looking in Americans look like fools other than the very wealthy, no offense meant BTW.

If you&#039;re going to entrust you&#039;re healthcare entirely to profit making entities at most levels what do you expect exactly though - it&#039;s ultimately in the entities interest to not spend money on your healthcare and for you to die early should you be so unfortunate as to require large amounts to be spent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of oversimplification and sounding glib I say that this is the American voters fault that collectively they&#8217;re paying four times as much for healthcare as the number one country whilst being ranked at number 42 for health outcomes (according to some studies anyhow &#8211; whatever, you still pay exorbitant amounts).  </p>
<p>Add to this the large numbers of people that are bankrupted every year through health costs that are no fault of their own even if they&#8217;re insured &#8211; to an outsider looking in Americans look like fools other than the very wealthy, no offense meant BTW.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to entrust you&#8217;re healthcare entirely to profit making entities at most levels what do you expect exactly though &#8211; it&#8217;s ultimately in the entities interest to not spend money on your healthcare and for you to die early should you be so unfortunate as to require large amounts to be spent.</p>
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		<title>By: SaintD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaintD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear he was at the Kuvaev&#039;s &quot;office&quot; too.
Very-very possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear he was at the Kuvaev&#8217;s &#8220;office&#8221; too.<br />
Very-very possible.</p>
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		<title>By: SaintD</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/pharma-wars-paying-for-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-27025</link>
		<dc:creator>SaintD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, You are right. Xakep.ru is a trash magazine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, You are right. Xakep.ru is a trash magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleksey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleksey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick,

You romanticizing corruption just because it&#039;s a foreign concept for you. If you ever had first-hand experience with this societal phenomenon (large scale institutional corruption, the way it is in Russia) you&#039;d never write something like the comment above. Saying that being able to pay off judges to deal with the attacks of patent trolls is a good thing is akin to saying that having no law at all is good because one could execute murderers/serial killers without a nuisance of a due process or a possibility of wrongful acquittal.
Yes, unequivocal law abiding may sometimes bring absurd and irrational consequences, but the judicial nihilism demonstrated by this post is guaranteed to cause a lot more problems for the society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>You romanticizing corruption just because it&#8217;s a foreign concept for you. If you ever had first-hand experience with this societal phenomenon (large scale institutional corruption, the way it is in Russia) you&#8217;d never write something like the comment above. Saying that being able to pay off judges to deal with the attacks of patent trolls is a good thing is akin to saying that having no law at all is good because one could execute murderers/serial killers without a nuisance of a due process or a possibility of wrongful acquittal.<br />
Yes, unequivocal law abiding may sometimes bring absurd and irrational consequences, but the judicial nihilism demonstrated by this post is guaranteed to cause a lot more problems for the society.</p>
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		<title>By: Desp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just interesting.
A lot of news-sites rewrite articles of Brian.
But you can see another corruption example in Russian press - magazine xakep.ru
This guys like to write a lot of black PR of Chronopay give a links to source on livejournal.
I am sure, this article never will be printed there.
Because Gusev will never pay for it:-). Yes, Nikita? :-).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just interesting.<br />
A lot of news-sites rewrite articles of Brian.<br />
But you can see another corruption example in Russian press &#8211; magazine xakep.ru<br />
This guys like to write a lot of black PR of Chronopay give a links to source on livejournal.<br />
I am sure, this article never will be printed there.<br />
Because Gusev will never pay for it:-). Yes, Nikita? <img src='http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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