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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-133426</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[F-Secure has posted a nice simple graphic to explain how cybercriminals steal from bank accounts.  Might be helpful to heighten the awareness of your less technical/savvy friends/relatives

http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002471.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F-Secure has posted a nice simple graphic to explain how cybercriminals steal from bank accounts.  Might be helpful to heighten the awareness of your less technical/savvy friends/relatives</p>
<p><a href="http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002471.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002471.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Steven Hack</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-132980</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Steven Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh, heh...

Yeah...&quot;legal&quot; is where you steal and don&#039;t go to jail. &quot;Illegal&quot; is where you steal and go to jail.

Those with the gold make the rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, heh&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;&#8221;legal&#8221; is where you steal and don&#8217;t go to jail. &#8220;Illegal&#8221; is where you steal and go to jail.</p>
<p>Those with the gold make the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: JAmes bonds</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131599</link>
		<dc:creator>JAmes bonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another baseless article  from  Brian Crebsky .  well  done Brian   .u  just  cant  get  enough  of them  sneaky  Russian bustards  .

Nobody  cares  what  they  do  .  cos  there is  people  in this world  who  steal   millions  in  1  day  . how many  money  mules u  going to  need to  steal  million  ?&gt;&gt; 

u waysting  your time  again  Mr Brian Crebsky    .  have a good day  .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another baseless article  from  Brian Crebsky .  well  done Brian   .u  just  cant  get  enough  of them  sneaky  Russian bustards  .</p>
<p>Nobody  cares  what  they  do  .  cos  there is  people  in this world  who  steal   millions  in  1  day  . how many  money  mules u  going to  need to  steal  million  ?&gt;&gt; </p>
<p>u waysting  your time  again  Mr Brian Crebsky    .  have a good day  .</p>
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		<title>By: voksalna</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131352</link>
		<dc:creator>voksalna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If that was too long to read, then I will make it shorter: Those in power almost always get to be right. Or as famous saying goes &quot;history is written by the victors&quot;; so is the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that was too long to read, then I will make it shorter: Those in power almost always get to be right. Or as famous saying goes &#8220;history is written by the victors&#8221;; so is the law.</p>
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		<title>By: voksalna</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131351</link>
		<dc:creator>voksalna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem here is a definitional one, and the governments and corporations have the power to set those definitions and re-draw the lines that separate legal from illegal -- or simply let some people go while making other people suffer more for smaller &#039;crimes&#039;.

To some extent, &quot;legal&quot; and &quot;illegal&quot; do belong in quotes; what is good is not always legal; what is bad is not always illegal; what is illegal is not always prosecuted -- and this is where &#039;nepotistic&#039; allowances and selective prosecution into play more and more.

I bring this up because so many readers of this blog and people who work in security (on either side of the fence, as it would be), seem to have a hard time with &#039;cybercriminals&#039; getting away, but seem to kick up far less of a fuss when corporations and CEOs do. Societies now seem to &quot;expect&quot; the &#039;fat cats&#039; to get away with things, because &quot;that is just how it is&quot;.

Another time &quot;legally&quot; and &quot;illegally&quot; should probably be in quotes is -- what is legal in one country and is not legal in another does not have a clear overlap; for cross-border crime, with a victim in one country and perpetrators in other countries, some with laws against certain things, others not, indeed, only quotes can probably be sufficient. Larceny, fraud, etc is generally illegal in most/all countries, but some other crimes? Not so much. 

And clearly what took place at a high level in the US in the past few years could really only be considered criminal, and even &quot;illegal&quot; -- but apparently not &quot;illegal&quot; enough to warrant prosecution (and apparently &quot;legal&quot; enough to earn the CEOs their yearly bonuses).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is a definitional one, and the governments and corporations have the power to set those definitions and re-draw the lines that separate legal from illegal &#8212; or simply let some people go while making other people suffer more for smaller &#8216;crimes&#8217;.</p>
<p>To some extent, &#8220;legal&#8221; and &#8220;illegal&#8221; do belong in quotes; what is good is not always legal; what is bad is not always illegal; what is illegal is not always prosecuted &#8212; and this is where &#8216;nepotistic&#8217; allowances and selective prosecution into play more and more.</p>
<p>I bring this up because so many readers of this blog and people who work in security (on either side of the fence, as it would be), seem to have a hard time with &#8216;cybercriminals&#8217; getting away, but seem to kick up far less of a fuss when corporations and CEOs do. Societies now seem to &#8220;expect&#8221; the &#8216;fat cats&#8217; to get away with things, because &#8220;that is just how it is&#8221;.</p>
<p>Another time &#8220;legally&#8221; and &#8220;illegally&#8221; should probably be in quotes is &#8212; what is legal in one country and is not legal in another does not have a clear overlap; for cross-border crime, with a victim in one country and perpetrators in other countries, some with laws against certain things, others not, indeed, only quotes can probably be sufficient. Larceny, fraud, etc is generally illegal in most/all countries, but some other crimes? Not so much. </p>
<p>And clearly what took place at a high level in the US in the past few years could really only be considered criminal, and even &#8220;illegal&#8221; &#8212; but apparently not &#8220;illegal&#8221; enough to warrant prosecution (and apparently &#8220;legal&#8221; enough to earn the CEOs their yearly bonuses).</p>
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		<title>By: Uzzi</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131330</link>
		<dc:creator>Uzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Alpha, I&#039;m not kidding; but even you don&#039;t need to know everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Alpha, I&#8217;m not kidding; but even you don&#8217;t need to know everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Neej</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131257</link>
		<dc:creator>Neej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 11:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t know anything about me.  What I know about you is that you came up with the statements:

&gt;taking money from people “legally.”

&gt;steal our money legally.

If an action against the law of the land it&#039;s illegal.  If it is within the law it is legal.  That isn&#039;t altered by placing quotations around the word regardless of your views, opinions or any moral argument you may have.

And you cannot commit larceny, fraud or any sort of theft legally to use your words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t know anything about me.  What I know about you is that you came up with the statements:</p>
<p>&gt;taking money from people “legally.”</p>
<p>&gt;steal our money legally.</p>
<p>If an action against the law of the land it&#8217;s illegal.  If it is within the law it is legal.  That isn&#8217;t altered by placing quotations around the word regardless of your views, opinions or any moral argument you may have.</p>
<p>And you cannot commit larceny, fraud or any sort of theft legally to use your words.</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaCentauri</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131201</link>
		<dc:creator>AlphaCentauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 06:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure how much weed you&#039;d have to smoke to write like that. A middle schooler who forgot his Adderal smoking weed and posting from a cell phone might explain it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much weed you&#8217;d have to smoke to write like that. A middle schooler who forgot his Adderal smoking weed and posting from a cell phone might explain it.</p>
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		<title>By: Uzzi</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131133</link>
		<dc:creator>Uzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, let&#039;s see if I can help: You are special. Your argumentation is typical for a small group of people suffering from brain damage through cannabis. You need to know that your reality is differnet and you see contexts no one else cares about. That&#039;s because it&#039;s not real - just for you. Please try to find a self-help support group for drug abuse and look for a neuropsychiatry centre. Make sure they&#039;ve read &#039;Cognition and cannabis: from anecdote to advanced technology&#039; ¹) in Brain. 2012. 

¹) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22669080]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s see if I can help: You are special. Your argumentation is typical for a small group of people suffering from brain damage through cannabis. You need to know that your reality is differnet and you see contexts no one else cares about. That&#8217;s because it&#8217;s not real &#8211; just for you. Please try to find a self-help support group for drug abuse and look for a neuropsychiatry centre. Make sure they&#8217;ve read &#8216;Cognition and cannabis: from anecdote to advanced technology&#8217; ¹) in Brain. 2012. </p>
<p>¹) <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22669080" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22669080</a></p>
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		<title>By: Noz</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/11/online-service-offers-bank-robbers-for-hire/comment-page-1/#comment-131086</link>
		<dc:creator>Noz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neej,

You seem to be the perfect sucker Wall Street is looking for...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neej,</p>
<p>You seem to be the perfect sucker Wall Street is looking for&#8230;</p>
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