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		<title>By: voksalna</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-146872</link>
		<dc:creator>voksalna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Senyavinski,

We are of similar thinking, here, but I would like to point out that there is a difference between being treated as a criminal by the state and being treated as a criminal by the world and every person who might google you, hire you, or date you. Obviously the experience will have long-term repercussions for one&#039;s health and well-being, but there is a difference between repercussions and an impossible to move forward or find any form of human respite -- in fact this latter often leads to reoffending. It&#039;s impossible to start over when you&#039;ve already been convicted by the world even if you have not by your peers.

This has nothing to do with me personally other than a matter of personal conviction, but I have known people who have been ruined by this experience of &#039;justice&#039;, both innocent and not innocent (as is likely for many people in a world of expanding laws). The problem with the law, especially as practiced by certain world powers, is that both types of people were treated the same *prior to any outcome*, which then extended past the outcome. While being treated the same until an outcome would be good if they were treated as &#039;innocent until proven guilty&#039;, I&#039;ve yet to see this be the case, and given the Western practice of &#039;plea bargaining&#039; it never will. 

I&#039;ve never seen anyone treated as innocent, or even &#039;not guilty&#039;, once acquitted. Has nothing to do with street names -- such things are matters of ego -- and everything to do with the chance to have a life beyond a street name.

That said the original poster may have perhaps been overreacting as far as &#039;street name&#039; but my comment was more to do with the &#039;real names&#039; that often come up in places like court documents and blogs such as this one (especially where evidence, which is required in a court of law (in theory anyway), is circumstantial at best).

We should not be treating &#039;charged people&#039; or even &#039;suspected people&#039; as &#039;convicted people&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senyavinski,</p>
<p>We are of similar thinking, here, but I would like to point out that there is a difference between being treated as a criminal by the state and being treated as a criminal by the world and every person who might google you, hire you, or date you. Obviously the experience will have long-term repercussions for one&#8217;s health and well-being, but there is a difference between repercussions and an impossible to move forward or find any form of human respite &#8212; in fact this latter often leads to reoffending. It&#8217;s impossible to start over when you&#8217;ve already been convicted by the world even if you have not by your peers.</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with me personally other than a matter of personal conviction, but I have known people who have been ruined by this experience of &#8216;justice&#8217;, both innocent and not innocent (as is likely for many people in a world of expanding laws). The problem with the law, especially as practiced by certain world powers, is that both types of people were treated the same *prior to any outcome*, which then extended past the outcome. While being treated the same until an outcome would be good if they were treated as &#8216;innocent until proven guilty&#8217;, I&#8217;ve yet to see this be the case, and given the Western practice of &#8216;plea bargaining&#8217; it never will. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen anyone treated as innocent, or even &#8216;not guilty&#8217;, once acquitted. Has nothing to do with street names &#8212; such things are matters of ego &#8212; and everything to do with the chance to have a life beyond a street name.</p>
<p>That said the original poster may have perhaps been overreacting as far as &#8216;street name&#8217; but my comment was more to do with the &#8216;real names&#8217; that often come up in places like court documents and blogs such as this one (especially where evidence, which is required in a court of law (in theory anyway), is circumstantial at best).</p>
<p>We should not be treating &#8216;charged people&#8217; or even &#8216;suspected people&#8217; as &#8216;convicted people&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Senyavinski</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-146073</link>
		<dc:creator>Senyavinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice slogan with little thought behind it. In most countries if you come out from custody, your name may have stayed out of news, but as a cripple for life and with destroyed health, beyond caring about such trivialities. you can spend long time meditating about your luck for keeping your street name  pure.  Don&#039;t shit in front of a house door and knock to ask for toilet paper without thinking ahead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice slogan with little thought behind it. In most countries if you come out from custody, your name may have stayed out of news, but as a cripple for life and with destroyed health, beyond caring about such trivialities. you can spend long time meditating about your luck for keeping your street name  pure.  Don&#8217;t shit in front of a house door and knock to ask for toilet paper without thinking ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianKrebs</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-142759</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianKrebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, over the past few months, I&#039;ve been contacted by a number of different federal law enforcement folks regarding stories I&#039;ve written. Generally, I don&#039;t mind sharing information that isn&#039;t privileged, but for the most part the government excels at taking information, and is not so good at sharing it back. Consequently, I don&#039;t spend a lot of time talking to federal investigators. The few times I have decided to share information it always resulted in reduced visibility and access for me going forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, over the past few months, I&#8217;ve been contacted by a number of different federal law enforcement folks regarding stories I&#8217;ve written. Generally, I don&#8217;t mind sharing information that isn&#8217;t privileged, but for the most part the government excels at taking information, and is not so good at sharing it back. Consequently, I don&#8217;t spend a lot of time talking to federal investigators. The few times I have decided to share information it always resulted in reduced visibility and access for me going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: voksalna</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-142267</link>
		<dc:creator>voksalna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a problem with the &quot;American justice system&quot; that the majority of civilised countries have avoided by not publishing names of accused -- combined with the fact that things never go away on the internet (unless the governments decide they should):  One never gets one&#039;s name back, and the accusers do not go out of their way to apologise or even point out that they were wrong -- if anything they hide it. There are no repairs to one&#039;s reputation to be had.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a problem with the &#8220;American justice system&#8221; that the majority of civilised countries have avoided by not publishing names of accused &#8212; combined with the fact that things never go away on the internet (unless the governments decide they should):  One never gets one&#8217;s name back, and the accusers do not go out of their way to apologise or even point out that they were wrong &#8212; if anything they hide it. There are no repairs to one&#8217;s reputation to be had.</p>
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		<title>By: john doe</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-141956</link>
		<dc:creator>john doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.zeuslegalnotice.com/images/Dismissal_Doe_36.pdf took me hours of research then m$ tries to sue me then had to spend hours on phone with their lawyers ugh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.zeuslegalnotice.com/images/Dismissal_Doe_36.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeuslegalnotice.com/images/Dismissal_Doe_36.pdf</a> took me hours of research then m$ tries to sue me then had to spend hours on phone with their lawyers ugh</p>
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		<title>By: john doe</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-141953</link>
		<dc:creator>john doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ironic part of it is i am in bangkok also and seen it on news when he got arrested]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ironic part of it is i am in bangkok also and seen it on news when he got arrested</p>
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		<title>By: john doe</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-141952</link>
		<dc:creator>john doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i wish they would rewrite that subpoena because mine got dropped and feel like my nickname being slandered when i see that subpoena picture on website which got dropped by microsoft.....ugh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wish they would rewrite that subpoena because mine got dropped and feel like my nickname being slandered when i see that subpoena picture on website which got dropped by microsoft&#8230;..ugh</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-141768</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might be true. Besides, his brother said that Hamza was adventurous,  he was trading, like he buys goods and sells them in Algeria. He wanted to say that Hamza wasn&#039;t that smart guy, nerd or geek. He said that their family lives in poor conditions ( house, job ..etc ) and Hamza wouldn&#039;t wait a second to buy a big house for his family if he had truly so much money. He denied that his brother was a hacker ( this why some might interpret Hamza&#039;s smile as he was astonished by all the media and police for something he didn&#039;t do ) !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be true. Besides, his brother said that Hamza was adventurous,  he was trading, like he buys goods and sells them in Algeria. He wanted to say that Hamza wasn&#8217;t that smart guy, nerd or geek. He said that their family lives in poor conditions ( house, job ..etc ) and Hamza wouldn&#8217;t wait a second to buy a big house for his family if he had truly so much money. He denied that his brother was a hacker ( this why some might interpret Hamza&#8217;s smile as he was astonished by all the media and police for something he didn&#8217;t do ) !</p>
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		<title>By: BrianKrebs</title>
		<link>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/police-arrest-alleged-zeus-botmaster-bx1/comment-page-1/#comment-141743</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianKrebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t know when junior high starts in Algeria, but in the United States it generally starts at age 13. The accused is now 24. A lot can happen in 11 years. 

Also, I know many talented hackers who quit or otherwise didn&#039;t fit with school, only to become technically very proficient at computers and other complex subjects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know when junior high starts in Algeria, but in the United States it generally starts at age 13. The accused is now 24. A lot can happen in 11 years. </p>
<p>Also, I know many talented hackers who quit or otherwise didn&#8217;t fit with school, only to become technically very proficient at computers and other complex subjects.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently read an interview of his brother in an Algerian daily Newspaper. He said that Hamza quit school at junior high school ... and he was rarely sitting in front of his PC. Thus, Hamza ( as his brother stated ) didn&#039;t know how to hack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently read an interview of his brother in an Algerian daily Newspaper. He said that Hamza quit school at junior high school &#8230; and he was rarely sitting in front of his PC. Thus, Hamza ( as his brother stated ) didn&#8217;t know how to hack.</p>
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